KJs 4 handed

[marvin_1935]

i really hated this hand:

BB is too loose and aggressive

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25./$0.50.
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $78.50
CO: $50.95
Button: $37.35
SB: $48.35
BB: $20.45

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7.25, 4 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in $18.7</font>,

i debated for awhile whether or not to cbet . . .

i'm 90% certain i'm behind BB unless he has KT. looking back i like a shove to isolate BB. although i'm behind i have a decent amount of outs and there's dead money in the pot. thoughts?

[bazza22]

I would consider folding this pre flop, my reason being that your hand could be easily dominated and being out of position its going to take a monster flop for you to be able to play this hand with any real certainty.

On the flop, its a multi-way pot and one of the opponents you know to be very loose and aggressive meaning that he's unlikely going to be folding to your cbets. If villain is a complete idiot I may be tempted to call for half a stack but if he's a competent player just being aggresive im folding.

[Doug Funnie II]

BB is too loose and aggressive

You're dominated sometimes but there are way too many straight draw/pair combinations to consider folding for only $12.70 more. I'd probably reraise pretty large to prevent CO from calling. You may even get him to fold a better hand like Q9.

[renotime]

the only thing you can really beat is k 10 like you said.
he could k9, in which case you are really screwed. i'd probably fold since it is a multiway pot. multiway pots you want to flop big or get out of the way. i can't tell you how many times i have outflopped someone with a hand like Q9 suited or K9 suited and completely stacked someone overvaluing tptk in a multiway pot. but i could be completly
wrong and totally off base. anyone totally agree or disagree?

[marvin_1935]

5-handed KJs is worth a raise

for those that like a flop fold:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

31,680 games 0.005 secs 6,336,000 games/sec

Board: Qs 9c Kd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.748% 40.68% 03.07% 12887 972.50 { KsJs }
Hand 1: 56.252% 53.18% 03.07% 16848 972.50 { 99, KQs, KTs-K9s, Q9s, KQo, KTo-K9o, Q9o }

if we consider he's got the nuts and add JT:

ext results appended to pokerstove.txt

43,560 games 0.005 secs 8,712,000 games/sec

Board: Qs 9c Kd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.337% 31.42% 03.92% 13687 1706.00 { KsJs }
Hand 1: 64.663% 60.75% 03.92% 26461 1706.00 { 99, KQs, KTs-K9s, Q9s, JTs, KQo, KTo-K9o, Q9o, JTo }


due to the $ in the pot, i'm not folding, but i wonder if i should be cbetting here at all?