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Old 03-27-2007, 04:40 PM
Kevin8423 Kevin8423 is offline
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Default $16s - 10/20, 1010 w/ K2K flop

Is it good to just ditch the hand at this point?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1040)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t2040)
Hero (t1500)
CO (t1500)
Button (t1440)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, Hero calls t20, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t80</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, Hero calls t60

Flop: (t190) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t120</font>, Hero calls t120

Turn: (t430) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t240</font>, Hero?
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Old 03-27-2007, 06:33 PM
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Default Re: $16s - 10/20, 1010 w/ K2K flop

1. Why no raise preflop? I make this 80 to go most of the time.

2. I don't know what to do on the flop. I can see raise/fold to a 3 bet or a bet on the turn. As played I fold the turn.

I am curious what everyone else thinks.
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Old 03-27-2007, 06:40 PM
eurythmech eurythmech is offline
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Default Re: $16s - 10/20, 1010 w/ K2K flop

I don't know about flop, because I always raise this pre.
I guess a call is good.
Turn is a fold imo.
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Old 03-27-2007, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: $16s - 10/20, 1010 w/ K2K flop

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I don't know about flop, because I always raise this pre.
I guess a call is good.
Turn is a fold imo.

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why are we calling the flop but folding this turn? I also like a raise on the flop to see where we are.
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Old 03-27-2007, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: $16s - 10/20, 1010 w/ K2K flop

Preflop is meh.
Flop is a call.
Turn is a fold.
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Old 03-27-2007, 07:11 PM
gdsdiscgolfer gdsdiscgolfer is offline
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Default Re: $16s - 10/20, 1010 w/ K2K flop

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Preflop is meh.
Flop is a call.
Turn is a fold.

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Also, FoolyCooly, people think that just because the turn card doesn't change much, we have to commit to the hand if we call the flop.
However, many villains will fire one shell with hands like AQ, AJ, TT-77, etc. but will not bet out again on the turn with hands that we beat here. The fact that he bets again gives us more information about his hand than we had on the flop (where we did not automatically decide "MHIG on a blank turn").
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Old 03-27-2007, 08:45 PM
Kevin8423 Kevin8423 is offline
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Default Re: $16s - 10/20, 1010 w/ K2K flop

Early and middle position in level 1 and 2 I usually just limp 10s.. I'm pretty late on this hand though not sure why I didn't raise.

For anyone whos saying preflop is bad (I don't think limping is bad might not be the best though) is it because of the limp or the call?
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Old 03-28-2007, 08:20 AM
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Default Re: $16s - 10/20, 1010 w/ K2K flop

Uh, the call is never bad.
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Old 03-28-2007, 08:26 AM
EscapePlan9 EscapePlan9 is offline
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Default Re: $16s - 10/20, 1010 w/ K2K flop

With TT in MP3, I open-raise 100% of the time. Limping isn't awful though. Def calling the raise is fine.
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Old 03-28-2007, 08:33 AM
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Default Re: $16s - 10/20, 1010 w/ K2K flop

Let's talk about this flop call a little more. I see this kind of flop all the time when I have a PP and a paired-overcard comes. We're obviously not giving credit to SB for a K, despite that he RR preflop. What's the thought process for calling the flop?
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