In general - 88 vs 6TT flop - thac's brew hand

[RollTide77]

This is a hand from the brew (thanks thac).

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
SB: 120BBs
BB: 20BBs
<font color="green">UTG: 396BBs</font>
MP: 139BBs
CO: 103BBs
<font color="green">Hero (BTN): 99.5BBs</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (1.5BBs, 6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to 3.5BBs</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls 3.5BBs, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.5BBs, 2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets 6BBs</font>, Hero ???

Would you call, raise, or fold? What are you expecting to get out of the hand? Would you make the same move if UTG has 100BBs instead of ~400BBs?

[Gustav]

If I called preflop then I am playing for set value, and folding the flop.

[marvin_1935]

some reads would be nice

i'm calling with the intention of betting when checked to on the turn. i would be more inclined to raise if it was 3-handed on the flop

in this case i would treat a 400bb stack the same as a 100bb stack

[RAHZero]

Effective stacks are 100 BBs, so UTG having 400 BBs means nothing unless we saw how he obtained that stack. As played, HU this looks like a pretty standard c-bet from the PFR, no reason to think our 88 is beat yet. I call here and plan to bet the turn if checked to. If he fires the turn again, I lay this down as long as the bet is anything considerable.

[dirtylobster]

I'd probably raise. Otherwise I'd have to continue calling without knowing where I stand. Or fold without knowing where I stand... But it depends on the villain. Does he c-bet often. If so I might just call and bet if he checks turn.

[Reliant444]

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I'd probably raise. Otherwise I'd have to continue calling without knowing where I stand. Or fold without knowing where I stand... But it depends on the villain. Does he c-bet often. If so I might just call and bet if he checks turn.

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raising=spew.....why does everyone always want to raise for info!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????!!!! !!!!!!

[kongs]

I would raise this turn. Very dry board, no reason to think you are behind here.

[0evg0]

raising at any point without an 8 on the board is terrible poker

[RollTide77]

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raising at any point without an 8 on the board is terrible poker

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I'm not arguing this point. Just want to discuss it a bit.

I think its reasonable to assume that the villain is going to cbet this flop regardless of what overcards he holds. So then its probably 50/50 that you are ahead at this point.

So...
#1 Would raising here not give you the chance to end the hand while you're ahead?

#2 If you call and a face hits the turn you most certainly will have to fold if he leads. If you call and an under hits what are you going to do?