Truly I am the master of subtlety

Gustav · #1 03-27-2007, 03:18 PM

Just a quick line check.

Hands played at different tables within the first orbit of sitting down. Zero reads or stats. Comments?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($143.70)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($105.05)
MP ($46.35)
Button ($224.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($4) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $99

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Button ($39)
SB ($47.05)
BB ($54.40)
UTG ($41.25)
MP ($67.90)
Hero ($100)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($13) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $8, SB folds, Hero raises to $96

kayfish77 · #2 03-27-2007, 03:22 PM

i kind of hate them both for different reasons :<.

Gustav · #3 03-27-2007, 03:25 PM

Yea, they're not supposed to be particularly similar, just not really worth a thread each. Would you care to elaborate though?

avfletch · #4 03-27-2007, 03:27 PM

Hand 1 I think you can make a more moderate raise here. Calling sucks because you price in the kind of hand that stacks you when you hit but shoving this much into this small a pot seems a little ott.

Hand 2 looks good although I'd probably have just lead out.

PS: I loled on seeing the first hand after reading the title [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Acein8ter · #5 03-27-2007, 03:35 PM

Sure is subtle play there... Do you push AI PF everytime w/AA/KK?

Xanta · #6 03-27-2007, 03:40 PM

Hand 2 is good, use your FE against the shorty in the best way you can.

Hand 1 is WTF with full stacks. It's pretty freakin obvious to anyone with a clue what you have here, and while you're flipping with everything besides sets, could you not just make a smaller raise here? Also with 4 people on the flop, calling might not be awful to try to entice those behind you to come along.

avfletch · #7 03-27-2007, 03:41 PM

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Hand 2 is good, use your FE against the shorty in the best way you can.

Hand 1 is WTF with full stacks. It's pretty freakin obvious to anyone with a clue what you have here, and while you're flipping with everything besides sets, could you not just make a smaller raise here? Also with 4 people on the flop, calling might not be awful to try to entice those behind you to come along.

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I'm not keen on a call here. Do we really want to entice people to come along when one of the most interested hands will be Axs?

takingcontrol · #8 03-27-2007, 04:17 PM

big overbet in hand one, I'd have bet closer to the pot back at him. I cant think that his reaction could have been much different - though your push has big hand all over it.
would it be totally incorrect to encourage action in this hand ? It's not likely Villian has any real piece of this flop and we've got 15 clean-ish outs (OESFD) plus another 2 - possible outs. While pushing gives us alot of FE, are there any more positive EV plays available ?

pardon the newbie question, I'm just curious as to the best value you can get for this hand.

jk1986 · #9 03-27-2007, 04:52 PM

WTF, both are retarded. Play donkaments if you like flipping.

Brian O'Nolan · #10 03-27-2007, 05:43 PM

hand 1 w/e I guess with no reads, if you make a standard raise a brick turn is kinda tough. I really dislike hand 2, why aren't you leading?