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Old 03-27-2007, 04:19 AM
dlpnyc21 dlpnyc21 is offline
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Default TP2nd kicker, CR\'d on turn...weird line by villian 25/50 3 handed

Hand is on UB 25/50. Villian in this hand is piejay. Villian is extraordinarily loose (vpip approx 50), overall stats somethingl like 54/40 for shorthanded, aggression factor of around 2.5. He plays his hands very unorthodoxly, and he can certainly put people on mega tilt. I have done well against him in the past, and I am pretty sure he respects my play. An interesting thing about this villian is that he gets progressively more aggressive on each street, which is the exact opposite of how most people play. He amps his aggression up on the turn and river, and wins a lot of pots this way, I imagine. In this hand, folds to him, he raises from sb, I just call KQ from bb. Sometimes I 3-bet this, but he has been calling 3-bet pretty light and I felt like I could take a flop in position. Flop is good for me, tpgk. He chks (this is where I got confused), I pot it. He chk-calls. At this point, my range for him includes any pair, and any straight draw, and perhaps some overcards.

The turn comes a jack. Sometimes I pot control in this spot, but so much of the time I am good here and can get called by a worse queen there or any underpairs. He checkraises.

At this point in the hand I am lost. Is his hand a bluff/value shove from a worse hand often enough to warrant a call in this spot? Also not that during this session he had raised preflop and chk-folded to my flop bet maybe 3 times already. Any advice appreciated,
dlpnyc21

Hand #40568437-7477 at Oshkosh (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 26/Mar/07 21:21:25

piejay is at seat 0 with $6272.
HERO is at seat 3 with $11857.
maxEmus125 is at seat 5 with $10171.
The button is at seat 5.

piejay posts the small blind of $25.
HERO posts the big blind of $50.

piejay: -- --
HERO: Kh Qs
maxEmus125: -- --

Pre-flop:

maxEmus125 folds. piejay raises to $150. HERO
calls.

Flop (board: 4s Qh 2c):

piejay checks. HERO bets $300. piejay calls.


Turn (board: 4s Qh 2c Jc):

piejay checks. HERO bets $725. piejay raises
to $3075. HERO???
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Old 03-27-2007, 04:45 AM
RickOSU RickOSU is offline
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Default Re: TP2nd kicker, CR\'d on turn...weird line by villian 25/50 3 handed

have you seen him raise pf and check the flop before? what does he normally do with a set on a dry flop board after he raises pre? If you don't know the answer to any of these questions, I think it's a fold.
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Old 03-27-2007, 05:11 AM
Jason Strasser (strassa2) Jason Strasser (strassa2) is offline
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Default Re: TP2nd kicker, CR\'d on turn...weird line by villian 25/50 3 handed

i have a lot of experience vs this guy. I think your turn bet is fine, fold to the CR. Piejay doesnt pull these gigantic moves often, and against me will play a lot of huge hands slow on the flop. Once in a while this might be some club draw with or without a pair he picked up on the turn, but most of the time if the money gets in here you are not in good shape at all. If he is going ultracrazy I stick it in, but this is usually a fold vs him. I think of PJ as fairly passive.
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Old 03-27-2007, 06:12 AM
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Default Re: TP2nd kicker, CR\'d on turn...weird line by villian 25/50 3 handed

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Piejay doesnt pull these gigantic moves often...I think of PJ as fairly passive.

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versus:

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An interesting thing about this villian is that he gets progressively more aggressive on each street

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Hmm
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Old 03-27-2007, 06:33 AM
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Default Re: TP2nd kicker, CR\'d on turn...weird line by villian 25/50 3 handed

ive played a decent amount w/ him on stars. I agree w/ strassa
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Old 03-27-2007, 08:44 AM
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Default Re: TP2nd kicker, CR\'d on turn...weird line by villian 25/50 3 handed

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Piejay doesnt pull these gigantic moves often...I think of PJ as fairly passive.

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versus:

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An interesting thing about this villian is that he gets progressively more aggressive on each street

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Hmm

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In general, he is passive by most "high-stakes" standards, meaning he has an aggression factor below 3 (his is 2.5). However, UNLIKE most players, whose aggression factor per street is highest on preflop and on the flop, his aggression factor actually INCREASES per street, which is unique also among high stakes players (most people get progressively less aggressive per street).
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Old 03-27-2007, 09:09 AM
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Default Re: TP2nd kicker, CR\'d on turn...weird line by villian 25/50 3 handed

I havent played PJ, but when most people play this line, they had something marginal on the flop and picked up a draw on the turn.
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Old 03-27-2007, 09:50 AM
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Default Re: TP2nd kicker, CR\'d on turn...weird line by villian 25/50 3 handed

Agression Factor of 2.5 is pretty agressive with a VPIP of over 50%
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:00 AM
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Default Re: TP2nd kicker, CR\'d on turn...weird line by villian 25/50 3 handed

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I havent played PJ, but when most people play this line, they had something marginal on the flop and picked up a draw on the turn.

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agree. i wouldn't bet this particular turn without the intention of getting it in if he c/red (an offsuit jack is a bit different). but i obviously haven't played with this opponent.
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Old 03-27-2007, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: TP2nd kicker, CR\'d on turn...weird line by villian 25/50 3 handed

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I havent played PJ, but when most people play this line, they had something marginal on the flop and picked up a draw on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]or a set of jacks?
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