(100nl) - Bottom set foldable here?

[Theo_Brixton]

Villain is 17/8 8-tabler, standard fold here?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.50/$1 Blinds
9 Players
Lego Poker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
SB: $24.85
BB: $203.65
UTG: $58.70
<font color="black">Theo (UTG+1): $98.30</font>
MP1: $121.35
MP2: $110.50
MP3: $24.85
CO: $38.50
BTN: $97

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($1.50, 9 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Theo raises to $3.50</font>, MP1 calls $3.50, 2 folds, CO calls $3.50, 3 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12, 3 Players)
<font color="red">Theo bets $9</font>, MP1 calls $9, CO folds

<font color="black">Turn:</font> K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($30, 2 Players)
<font color="red">Theo bets $19</font>, <font color="red">MP1 raises all-in to $108.85</font>, Theo ??

[threads13]

I would have trouble laying this one down. That turn card isn't too bad.

Having said that...

I would give this guy a range of 88/JJ/T9s/AK(discounted). There are hands like 87s/KJ that might be in his range as well, as well as some random bluffs.

[tgo007]

i have trouble laying this down also. I would call, hoping all he has is a draw.

[Vegetarian]

Insta call.

[dotbum]

Not thrilled, but I call.

I'm a little confused by his line. 2 pair looking to take it down, or monster draws needing folding equity?

[Theo_Brixton]

I'm really skeptical he is doing this with a monster draw. What is a solid MP1 calling an UTG+1 raise with preflop here that I am beating? 87 is all I can think of, and I am skeptical of that.

[dotbum]

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I'm really skeptical he is doing this with a monster draw. What is a solid MP1 calling an UTG+1 raise with preflop here that I am beating? 87 is all I can think of, and I am skeptical of that.

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Why is he betting so big with a set? He can't be putting you on an under-set here.

I feel like it's two pair enough to warrant a call. Do you use the "called preflop raise" stat on your HUD? Helps me narrow down villain's range in spots like this.

[Theo_Brixton]

No I don't use that stat but I might add it. I use VPIP, PFR, flop aggression, and # of hands, i tried adding cold call percentage and it seemd to be getting to be too many stats.

When the action gets to him on the turn, there is $49 in the pot and I have about $66 left. I think he would pop all in here with a set or str8, any sized raise is going to totally pot commit us both, and theres no point in him slow playing any longer.

[LBK]

LOL. Fold a set? Honestly, anyone that would fold this hand should probably stop playing poker. And that's not a joke.

[Theo_Brixton]

Who are you again? I checked some of your posts and usually its 'I never would fold a flush here, never fold a set here, etc' without any logical explanation. Could you tell me what level youre crushing, and what range you put an 8 tabling tag opponent on here?