Can i get my whole stack in here w/o looking suspicious?

[Morecardsplz]

First time post, but long time lurker. I hope this is the right forum for this post. clift notes at bottom.

Last Saturday night, I was playing at a local casino, 3/6 limit, with no cap heads up. The table was better than average-lots of calling stations, and I had been running well. The player to the right of me was very drunk, and had lost about 3 racks already, but he was having a good time.

As he kept downing drinks, he started flashing his cards a bit. Nothing on purpose really, just lifting them straight off of the table. Another player has already warned him, as had myself and the dealer.

In this hand, I am on the button with 55. With 4 limps ahead, I limp, and we go to the flop 6 handed. I don't flop a set, and the flop contains 2 clubs. I do have the 5 of clubs. It checks around, and the turn brings another club, at which point the player next to me lifts up his cards as if he was playing a game boy. I am not specifically looking at his cards, but i can clearly see that they are both red. It is checked around again, to the river that brings another club. It checks to me, and i bet, and it folds to the player next to me, who raises. I know he has 2 red cards, so MHIG. I 3 bet, and he 4 bets, when he says, "fold and save your money, ill even show you the Ace."

I figure that i can go another bet or 2 and it'll help out my image-so i 5 bet, he 6 bets, and i 7 bet, and he 8 bets. At this point everyone at the table is getting excited, as these kind of stand downs are not a common occurance.

At this point, if i call, everyone is already going to be like, "wtf, 8 bets with the 5 of clubs?" I have about 20 more big bets in front of me, and he has maybe 16-17. Is it safe to keep raising until he stops w/o looking suspicious?

I'm sure that i saw 2 red cards, and normally, I would call after 4 bets if he hadn't already been warned multiple times.

Clift notes- I have the 5 of clubs on a 4 club board, villian flashes his cards and they are both red, get into a giant raising war on river, how many bets can I go?

[MediaPA]

um, no. The fact that you are going nuts with a 5 high flush stinks of collusion/extra information.

Edit: the only way this can be saved is if the board was paired and you assumed he didn't have a boat, but he did. That would make this golden, and justice would prevail.

[Morecardsplz]

the board wasn't paired, and I ended up just calling. The table kind of gave me a weird look, and a few players questioned it, and the dealer said to him, " you've been warning mutiple times about concealing your cards, and you practically showed me your hand that time."

The table laughed about it, and the dealer even asked me later why I didn't go all the way with it. I wanted to ask here to get some other opinions.

MCP

[LasVegasMichael]

"collusion" and "extra information" are mutually exclusive, and VERY different.

I see NO problem with going the whole way in this situation.

Normally, I side with the "gentleman" side of poker, but in this case, I think you are in your full right to go the whole way without feeling bad about it.

The fact that he was willing to go the whole nine yards without the flush alone justifies your push with the flush, since you could have very esily had a read on him, regardless of the seeing of the actual hand.

Every single card room has a rule pertaining to players protecting their own hands. This directly applies here.

It is further compounded by the fact that the player in question HAS BEEN ADVISED that he is doing it. Once a friendly notice has been given, all pleasantries aside, and go for the juglar. He was given ample opportunity to correct his ways, and now is paying the price for not heeding the multiple warnings given.

You made a mistake by not finishing off the betting. Also, the dealer made a mistake by rewarning the player. It is not his business to do so multiple times. Once is more then enough. Players are responsible for protecting their own hands. Period.

Once he was warned, it was fair game, plain and simple.

[MediaPA]

Collusion was a poor word choice. I wouldn't say that are mutually exclusive concepts either since collusion requires extra information. Not worth the debate though.

w/o looking suspicious? no
could you get all in? probably not, but maybe. The guy may have really thought he had an Ace for some reason.

When is the point where you ask if you just want to get it all in during a limit game?

[MicroBob]

not sure exactly when and how you can just go the 'save the time' route and ask if he just wants to get it all-in.

But obviously that strategy wouldn't work against this player if we are assuming he knows he had 2 red cards since he would never call.
But he might have had 2 pair or trips or something and just not noticed there was 4-flush on board.

But if we assume that villain actually knows he is bluffing (or we think there's a decent chance he knows) than the only option OP has to continue with this is to just keep raising and hope the opponent continues on with his bizarre bluff.

[TxSteve]

you should feel dirty

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get your stack in there next time, there is nothing wrong with it since your opponent has decided to share information with you. Welcome to the forum.

[AngusThermopyle]

Even on the button, you bet the 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] into five players?

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The OP's play obviously sucks, but once its heads up he needs to go to town.