A7s easy c/f?

orange · #1 03-25-2007, 03:04 PM

the cold calling villan is v. taggy, seems like a strong player. hero is taggy. flop was a hopeful bet/3-bet AI but it didnt work like that. this is a c/f on turn right?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
orange: $200.05
UTG+1: $299.30
CO: $240.90
Button: $404.15
SB: $75.70
BB: $276.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) orange is UTG with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">orange raises to $8</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($40, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">orange bets $35</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, 2 folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($110, 2 players)
orange c/fs?

kitaristi0 · #2 03-25-2007, 03:14 PM

To become an expert unlimited hold them player one must learn to apply pressure by firing what is known as a double barrel bluff because KK and JJ 3-bet preflop and you would expect him to raise such a drawy flop with a real hand.

orange · #3 03-25-2007, 03:16 PM

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To become an expert unlimited hold them player one must learn to apply pressure by firing what is known as a double barrel bluff because KK and JJ 3-bet preflop and you would expect him to raise such a drawy flop with a real hand.

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so you shove? or just bet $80/call shove?

kitaristi0 · #4 03-25-2007, 03:18 PM

Meh, probably $85/call a shove.

PoppaTMan · #5 03-25-2007, 03:34 PM

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Meh, probably $85/call a shove.

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Ditto. You bet into a 5-way flop after an UTG raise. I think you'll get a lot of respect from a second barrel here.

FishSticks · #6 03-25-2007, 03:39 PM

If you don't want to definitely bet the turn, it's probably not wise to bet the flop - as in a family pot situation your cbet is gonna catch at least one caller.

I'll check this flop at times.

Anyways, as played, bet turn - kit summed it up nicely.

FeltBelt · #7 03-25-2007, 03:43 PM

No way do you CF here. Second barrel is a must. I'd bet about 80-95 here, leaning toward more rather than less. You have an overcard and a flush draw, with the natural FE that comes from an UTG raise. You know he doesn't have AA/KK/JJ in all likelihood, and you're not dead even if he does.

If you're not going to 2 barrel here, when are you going to?!?!?

FeltBelt · #8 03-25-2007, 03:46 PM

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If you don't want to definitely bet the turn, it's probably not wise to bet the flop - as in a family pot situation your cbet is gonna catch at least one caller.

I'll check this flop at times.

Anyways, as played, bet turn - kit summed it up nicely.

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You absolutely want to bet the flop here and you don't mind if they ALL call. You win money in this game by stacking people, and you want to build a nice big pot in case that sweet sweet club shows up on the turn. You don't mind a raise, and it's imperative to get some people committed to this pot(and to see what they do when you raise).

Av9114 · #9 03-25-2007, 04:38 PM

You guys really over value this hand on the flop. Its kinda unlikely that an A will be good, and you don't have that much fold equity in a 5 way pot on a action flop. If we are just talking about the best play on the turn, I think c/f is better than pushing or betting. I really think you are better off c/c the flop though.

BGnight · #10 03-25-2007, 04:42 PM

I love double barreling nut flush draws. Just price yourself in case he shoves on ya.

You locked the stars/FT/etc threads. YAAAAAAAAY!!!