jdags seems to like his hand... WPT hand 2

[Ansky]

Same table, about 15 minutes later. Do not assume anything about the previous hand because of the stacks.

I have about ~8k, blinds are still 25/50. I open in mp w/ 2 cards to 175. Jdags (covers, ~18k) calls, 2 more callers behind him, and the bb comes along. Flop comes 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

BB has been a huge nitty old fat guy, he leads out for 450 into the 900 pot. I raise to 1500, Jdags ponders for about 20 seconds and tosses his last 5k chip and says "4500 straight." Behind him the button COLD CALLS the 4500 after approximately 2 minutes of thought (he coverd the table). He was clearly a terrible player at this point, and was probably calling w/ a big range. BB now TANKS for no less than 5 minutes, and eventually folds and storms away from the table. It's back to me. What hands do you push here? Do you fold aces? Do you fold a nut flush draw? Do you fold 22? Do you also fall asleep at the table given the hand has taken roughly 10 minutes already?

[Bond18]

Yes i would fold aces, no i wouldn't fold a set.

[thegreatchris]

Bond, apologies for a stupid question, but what is the difference between calling AA versus 22 here? Is it just being able to rule out bottom set for one of them or redraws against a flush? Or am I just missing something?

[Bond18]

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Bond, apologies for a stupid question, but what is the difference between calling AA versus 22 here? Is it just being able to rule out bottom set for one of them or redraws against a flush? Or am I just missing something?

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That and a set has much stronger redraw than AA in the event he has a large combo draw. Say dags is 9c8c, one of his possible large draws:

2h2s=65.25%
AhAs=52.22%

[renodoc]

i would fold AA.

I wouldn't fold a set. I don't know JDags play, but is there anyway his bet represents clubs?

[Eagles]

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Bond, apologies for a stupid question, but what is the difference between calling AA versus 22 here? Is it just being able to rule out bottom set for one of them or redraws against a flush? Or am I just missing something?

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That and a set has much stronger redraw than AA in the event he has a large combo draw. Say dags is 9c8c, one of his possible large draws:

2h2s=65.25%
AhAs=52.22%

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Ya but AA has better redraws vs. 66 and TT. [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

[Ansky]

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Bond, apologies for a stupid question, but what is the difference between calling AA versus 22 here? Is it just being able to rule out bottom set for one of them or redraws against a flush? Or am I just missing something?

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You're not missing anything, you are just vastly underestimating the importance of what you already stated.

[thegreatchris]

Thanks for clarification.

[Pudge714]

I would never fold a set here way to many combodraws and there is so much overlay.
I'm pretty sure if you are against a set and another FD you still might have odds to get it in with the NFD, right now my stove is messed up and I don't feel like doing calcs.

AA is really close, it depends if I have the Ac and if big old fat nitty guy is capable of doing this with a hand he thinks is the nuts like AT. It also depends on whether you not have the Ac.

[mastr]

I am in 100 % agreement with what pudge said.