200 NL KK against regular

skydancing8 · #1 03-23-2007, 06:16 PM

Villian is SabraoBoy for whatever reason we end up playing a lot of big pots against eachother. He knows that I know he plays a lot of hands in this spot. He also floats me a lot.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($119.40)
Button ($304.90)
SB ($48)
BB ($275.05)
UTG ($197.15)
Hero ($203.30)
MP1 ($148.45)
MP2 ($119.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 5 folds, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($17) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB calls $12.

Turn: ($41) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

I'm sure about 90% of you are going to say bet the turn... I dont want to hear that line. I understand your reasoning but am not intestered in it in this spot. I will get C/R by him here at least 75% of the time regaurdless if Im ahead or not. Knowing that if you could convince me then I will listen to it.

River: ($41) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $30,

BT2 · #2 03-23-2007, 06:26 PM

checking the turn is okay, with a read, if you think you can get him to bluff the river. as played just call the river. raising is a mistake.

SABR42 · #3 03-23-2007, 06:28 PM

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I will get C/R by him here at least 75% of the time regaurdless if Im ahead or not.

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If this is true, then you should bet/call the turn.

skydancing8 · #4 03-23-2007, 06:42 PM

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I will get C/R by him here at least 75% of the time regaurdless if Im ahead or not.

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If this is true, then you should bet/call the turn.

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This is a little too vague for me, could you possibly elaborate a little further for me.

Eternal · #5 03-23-2007, 06:43 PM

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I will get C/R by him here at least 75% of the time regaurdless if Im ahead or not.

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If this is true, then you should bet/call the turn.

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Yikes, betting calling the turn, would be an all in play. The pot is 40 dollars, lets say our Hero bets around 30 dollars, would you want him to call of 70 - 100 dollars raise?

Check here callin here is very safe. And likely a play i would do too especially with that K of diamonds. If I had KK no flush draw, I would bet again on the turn.

It's just such a disaster to bet with KK flush draw and face an all in and be forced to call or laydown.

THe check here is fine, but because of the check on the turn, you have to call the river. NH

GeterPriffin · #6 03-23-2007, 06:45 PM

Wait..so what's the question?

If you think he'll C/R you, checking turn and calling river bet would be ok for pot control.

SABR42 · #7 03-23-2007, 06:47 PM

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I will get C/R by him here at least 75% of the time regaurdless if Im ahead or not.

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If this is true, then you should bet/call the turn.

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This is a little too vague for me, could you possibly elaborate a little further for me.

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Well, if he's really check-raising you that often (putting you on a double barrel, thinking you can't call) you'll be getting it in with the best of it most of the time, no?

skydancing8 · #8 03-23-2007, 06:49 PM

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Wait..so what's the question?

If you think he'll C/R you, checking turn and calling river bet would be ok for pot control.

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I know a lot of people would bet this turn. Given my previous hand history with him (near 5k hands with many notes) I would like to hear arguments for or against turn betting. His C/R would most likely be an AI too.

SABR42 · #9 03-23-2007, 06:50 PM

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Yikes, betting calling the turn, would be an all in play. The pot is 40 dollars, lets say our Hero bets around 30 dollars, would you want him to call of 70 - 100 dollars raise?

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The standard play is to obviously check the turn, but OP said that he thinks he's going to get check-raised 75% of the time. Given that he's check-raising light, betting to induce a bluff-raise seems good to me.

emmapeel9 · #10 03-23-2007, 06:56 PM

I'm checking the turn too as I think Villain might have something good here that he might raise with. (As noted)

I'm going to call the river as I wouldn't expect Villain to know we have such a strong hand. I think we will be beating enough hands that will bet here.

EP