Value bet this nut flush on paired board?

[Rico Rich]

Full Tilt Poker
$/$ No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
9 Players
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<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
BB: $154.5
UTG: $147.50
UTG+1: $123.50
MP1: $53
MP2: $57
MP3: $80
CO: $65
BTN: $51
Hero (SB): $186

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($0, 9 players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, <font color="red">MP3 raises to $6</font>, CO calls $6, BTN calls $6, Hero calls $4.50, BB calls $3

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($25.5, 5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">MP3 bets $3</font>, CO calls $3, BTN calls $3, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6</font>, BB calls $6, MP3 calls $3, CO folds, BTN calls $3

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($52.5, 4 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $6</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $12</font>, MP3 folds, BTN folds, Hero calls $6

<font color="black">River:</font> 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($76.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $6</font>, Hero calls $6

His flop check/call of a check raise really looked like a flush draw, but I guess I didnt want to be putting more bets in.

[BigBadBabar]

easy 3bet on the turn and lead river. if he caps turn i still lead river.

[jstill]

u should put more bets in, his flop call looks like 9x, 66 or a flush draw. there are way more holdings ud beat than not (only 66 96 or J9 only 15 combos vs like 3 times as many hands u beat, JJ can pretty much be completely ruled out).

id 3bet the turn for sure and ck call the river if he capped i think, even then Im not sure if I should check-raise the river (probably not tho). If i didnt 3bet the turn Id definitely want to put more river bets in, probably check-raise calling.

on a sidenote, not sure if this is much to think about but I think his hand looks more like a flush or 9x anyways than a boat. The same people who take this flop line with 96 or 66 often dont shut out the field on the turn with their monsters; whereas 9x or a small flush has to fear the potential river four flush. That hand reading (while not necessarily credible) is outweighted by his range anyways where u should put in more bets without giving that tidbit of thought much thought.

[jstill]

what should our river line be here people if he caps, i pretty much never bet out again on the river.

[BigBadBabar]

i would still bet/call the river even if capped on the turn. i think it's trips/lower flush enough to make this correct.

[jstill]

Im really surprised u think that is best BBB. Dont u feel u get one bet in when ur ahead with either line? not like hes checking behind 98 or 87dd pretty much ever after he caps the turn with it and u check to him (ive pretty much never seen a villain do that, not enough where it warrants taking a line that costs us more behind and wins the same ahead IMO).

Im not check calling because I dont think I have greater than 50% equity against his range, Im check calling in this spot because betting out pretty much always gets 2 bets in behind and 1 ahead.

If i felt my hand warranted putting more river bets in after this turn action Id pretty much always check-raise call rather than bet call (id only donk if I thought he was spewing enough or had a hand strong enough I wanted to bet 3bet).

this is very general obviously and there are exceptions in roughly similar spots to this I'm sure.

[WalkAmongUs]

I'd also 3-bet the turn here.

I'm also wondering whether or not I would raise the flop for value on this paired board. I probably would but I could be convinced otherwise.

[Bob T.]

I think you need to put in at least one more bet somewhere before you slow down.

[jstill]

bump

Id like to go back to this. If we 3bet the turn and he caps, what is our river line?

[James.]

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Id like to go back to this. If we 3bet the turn and he caps, what is our river line?

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seems to me there are quite a few more trips/lower flush combos than FH/quad combos. J9, 99, JJ, 66 are all we are losing to(what 18 combos?).

yep, pretty easy 3bet on the turn, call the cap and bet/call the river without a read. also, fwiw i don't think we are capped very often on the turn considering the board.