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Old 03-21-2007, 09:35 AM
Easy17 Easy17 is offline
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Default late 20/180 can you find this fold?

Please forgive me, I'm at work and do not have the HH but here it is:

40 left in stars 20/180. I am 2nd or 3rd in chips with 10,500. I have been playing very well post flop, making good reads, folds, bluffs, etc. Other 2 big stacks are at my table, one seated to my left. both agressive, loose. I have been at table only 4 orbits, and action is very agressive, every pot is generally raised/reraised.

Blinds at 200/100, ante 25

I am on button with QQ, folded to me, I raise the minimum to 400 (hoping for re-raise from big blind, as table action has been this way)

small blind to my left, chip leader, has me covered by 200 or so, reraises half his stack to 5500. BB folds.

My read was that he did *not* have AA or KK, or he would have reraised less.

Whats your play here?

Can you find this fold?
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:37 AM
AragornX151 AragornX151 is offline
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Default Re: late 20/180 can you find this fold?

Definitely not. Shove.
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:37 AM
Patrio Patrio is offline
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Default Re: late 20/180 can you find this fold?

This is AK, 77+ ?? If you want to win I guess you have to get the chips in there.. My guess is he had AK and you lost?
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:39 AM
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Default Re: late 20/180 can you find this fold?

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My read was that he did *not* have AA or KK, or he would have reraised less.

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push

unless your read sux, sounds like he's folding everything else, and calling with AK.

i can find this fold, but only if i was sitting there and i could prove your read was wrong. as typed, push.

EDIT: i can only find this fold once a year i think, so no i can't
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: late 20/180 can you find this fold?

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My read was that he did *not* have AA or KK, or he would have reraised less.

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push

unless your read sux, sounds like he's folding everything else, and calling with AK.

i can find this fold, but only if i was sitting there and i could prove your read was wrong. as typed, push.

EDIT: i can only find this fold once a year i think, so no i can't

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the guy isnt folding anything.

however im never folding this here, button minraises look so weak.. you got what you wanted didnt you?
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:49 AM
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Default Re: late 20/180 can you find this fold?

Well, I shoved and lost, and thinking about it afterwards I wondered if I couldnt have found the fold there. My read was correct, he had AK and I lost the 60/40

Reason being, I had been playing so well in small pots, do I really want to take this 60/40 for ALL my chips at this stage of the tournament?

I wasnt short at all in comparison to blinds, my steals and resteals were working fine, I felt like I could have made the final table no problem.
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Old 03-21-2007, 09:51 AM
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Default Re: late 20/180 can you find this fold?

so you hoped for a reraise.. then when the guy DID reraise you had to reevaluate?

if you win the hand do you still make this post?

this is a standard push.
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Old 03-21-2007, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: late 20/180 can you find this fold?

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Well, I shoved and lost, and thinking about it afterwards I wondered if I couldnt have found the fold there. My read was correct, he had AK and I lost the 60/40

Reason being, I had been playing so well in small pots, do I really want to take this 60/40 for ALL my chips at this stage of the tournament?

I wasnt short at all in comparison to blinds, my steals and resteals were working fine, I felt like I could have made the final table no problem.

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bad beat storys... blarg that's annoying

although i was of course suspicious from the start that it was one.

yah, my mistake, he does call with a lot, but all i was saying is if he doesn't have AA or KK, then why was the hand even posted.
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Old 03-21-2007, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: late 20/180 can you find this fold?

EZ PUSH
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Old 03-21-2007, 10:14 AM
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Default Re: late 20/180 can you find this fold?

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Well, I shoved and lost, and thinking about it afterwards I wondered if I couldnt have found the fold there. My read was correct, he had AK and I lost the 60/40

Reason being, I had been playing so well in small pots, do I really want to take this 60/40 for ALL my chips at this stage of the tournament?

I wasnt short at all in comparison to blinds, my steals and resteals were working fine, I felt like I could have made the final table no problem.

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Even if you could narrow his range to exactly AK, this is a shove.
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