25/50 short table, JJ lots of action PF

[LFC]

***** Hand 564440397 *****
25.00/50.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 2007-03-21 00:40:29
Table TH 608 (Real/Cash Game)
Seat 1: RailBird1 (5735.00)
Seat 2: NikolajN (711.65)
Seat 3: Khaal-Lee (4113.00)
Seat 4: enculator (4995.00)
Seat 5: HERO (5272.00)
enculator post SB 25.00
HERO post BB 50.00
** Deal ** HERO [J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
*** Bet Round 1 ***
RailBird1 Raise to 200.00
NikolajN Call 200.00
Khaal-Lee Call 200.00
enculator Raise to 850.00
HERO All-in 5272.00

enculator is a good, tricky player
Nikolaj (shortstack)- rather weak player
rail & khaal -> good, solid players

what HERO should do ? flat call? fold ? reraise (all in?)?

[xorbie]

fold is a lot better than what you did

edit: actually if you can get him to fold everything but JJ+/AK its closer because of the dead money, assuming he squeezes here with airish hands a fair amount.

[catcher193]

there is a grand in there....tough spot.... I think shoving and folding are close.

I probably fold since I would be underrolled for the game [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[ike]

This is basically a bluff but against the right opponents this can be a good spot to bluff. Under normal circumstances I'd fold JJ here and shove AK and QQ. If I think the reraiser is particularly likely to have air I'd shove more stuff. JJ (36%) is not substantially better than 55 (33%) against the range of JJ+/AK (which is what you'll see almost every time you're called, lots of players will even fold AK or JJ here, especially if they're not closing the action) so don't think you've got too much hand to fold.

edit: calling is awful, you'll often attract one or two callers behind you and it will be very difficult to get it in ahead but easy to fold the best hand postflop.

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

nice post ike

[LFC]

my first idea was to fold bu than i realise that shortstack is going to call, he was really poor, put him on A rag, do U think that enculator is going to call with AK with 2 all ins in front ?

of course ike, i didnt want enculator to call, 1k HU JJ vs Ax was fine for me

but as I C all of U would fold that ... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[ike]

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my first idea was to fold bu than i realise that shortstack is going to call, he was really poor, put him on A rag, do U think that enculator is going to call with AK with 2 all ins in front ?

of course ike, i didnt want enculator to call, 1k HU JJ vs Ax was fine for me

but as I C all of U would fold that ... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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a shortstack who's probably calling (how you know he has ax is beyond me) is not good news for you. i didn't notice him, if I had i'd have changed my recommendation to fold jj for sure and consider folding ak. now instead of winning a 1500 pot uncontested when the people we're worried about fold you're HU for a 2k pot. you'd have to be a really big favorite, bigger than you are vs ax, to prefer that outcome.

[emil3000]

The shortstack also means that the reraisers range will be more weighted towards good hands.

[LFC]

shortstack went all in of course and enculator said AKs and took about 15 sek, than fold (actually i not 100% sure he had AKs but still)

shortstack had K9off

board AQ7 4 4

and I took the pot

[greg nice]

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The shortstack also means that the reraisers range will be more weighted towards good hands.

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which means our push on top will garner even more respect as long as he views us as good as well