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03-19-2007, 03:06 AM
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I T \' S A M I R A C L E ! ! ! !
Suppose this headline tomorrow with the following story:
[ QUOTE ] Overnight every single human being on the planet who had lost an appendage, finger, toe, leg, arm, whatever, awoke to discover that all had been fully restored and are completely functional. Scientists and theologians alike are dumbfounded. [/ QUOTE ] Would this do any more for people like DS than convince them that the nerdy kid in Dimension #197a had been playing with his new toy, call in a Nimbus 2000 dimensionalizer and universator? He found the button that regrows human legs, etc. I don't see why it would even slow down Dawkins and Co. - they would just have to readjust their rhetoric. 
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03-19-2007, 03:39 AM
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Miracle
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Suppose this headline [appears] tomorrow with the following story: [ QUOTE ] Overnight every single human being on the planet who had lost an appendage, finger, toe, leg, arm, whatever, awoke to discover that all had been fully restored and are completely functional. Scientists and theologians alike are dumbfounded. [/ QUOTE ] Would this do any more for people like DS than convince them that the nerdy kid in Dimension #197a had been playing with his new toy, call in a Nimbus 2000 dimensionalizer and universator? He found the button that regrows human legs, etc. [/ QUOTE ]Your example of an atheism-refuting miracle is appropriate. I, for one, would be convinced, that there is someone/something behind the curtain, after all. Since we have zero precedent or allegations about the nerdy kid version (besides jokes and speculations), whilst we do have allegations and claims stubbornly supported and handed down to us by our ancestors, i.e. the proper God versions, it would be more likely that a proper God is at work rather than the nerdy kid. Now, why would the miracle have to be the work of the Christian God and not some other, out-of-fashion deity, such as Zoroastre ? Mickey Brausch
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03-19-2007, 03:47 AM
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Re: Miracle
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Now, why would the miracle have to be the work of the Christian God and not some other, out-of-fashion deity, such as Zoroastre ? [/ QUOTE ] Correct. You take Zoroastre, others go for Jupiter and DS sticks with the kid. Dawkins probably says we'll find the natural cause in a generation or two. Now what?
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03-19-2007, 03:53 AM
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Re: I T \' S A M I R A C L E ! ! ! !
What do you want us to say? This event would eliminate metaphysical naturalism from the sane population. Beyond that, what conclusions could possibly be drawn?
If only the Zoroastrians had been regenerated, things would be quite different.
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03-19-2007, 03:56 AM
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Re: I T \' S A M I R A C L E ! ! ! !
Just to be clear, I don't think the kid is more likely than God. I think all of the possible explanations combined is more likely than one very specific definition of God.
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03-19-2007, 04:13 AM
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Re: I T \' S A M I R A C L E ! ! ! !
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Suppose this headline tomorrow with the following story: [ QUOTE ] Overnight every single human being on the planet who had lost an appendage, finger, toe, leg, arm, whatever, awoke to discover that all had been fully restored and are completely functional. Scientists and theologians alike are dumbfounded. [/ QUOTE ] Would this do any more for people like DS than convince them that the nerdy kid in Dimension #197a had been playing with his new toy, call in a Nimbus 2000 dimensionalizer and universator? He found the button that regrows human legs, etc. I don't see why it would even slow down Dawkins and Co. - they would just have to readjust their rhetoric. [/ QUOTE ] I'm a pretty hardcore athiest. If this were to happen, I'd have to admit in some sort of higher power. Of course this event would prove nothing specific about that power, so any claims of one religion over another would still be ridiculous.
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03-19-2007, 04:15 AM
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Re: I T \' S A M I R A C L E ! ! ! !
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[ QUOTE ] Suppose this headline tomorrow with the following story: [ QUOTE ] Overnight every single human being on the planet who had lost an appendage, finger, toe, leg, arm, whatever, awoke to discover that all had been fully restored and are completely functional. Scientists and theologians alike are dumbfounded. [/ QUOTE ] Would this do any more for people like DS than convince them that the nerdy kid in Dimension #197a had been playing with his new toy, call in a Nimbus 2000 dimensionalizer and universator? He found the button that regrows human legs, etc. I don't see why it would even slow down Dawkins and Co. - they would just have to readjust their rhetoric. [/ QUOTE ] I'm a pretty hardcore athiest. If this were to happen, I'd have to admit in some sort of higher power. Of course this event would prove nothing specific about that power, so any claims of one religion over another would still be ridiculous. [/ QUOTE ] To clarify my post, the "higher power" simply means that there is a power "higher" than humans that managed to do this "miracle." It does not necesitate a god. As far as I'm concerned it would just as likely be a higly advanced alien race.
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03-19-2007, 04:21 AM
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Re: I T \' S A M I R A C L E ! ! ! !
I think I would be dumbfounded and start thinking about how it would affect the movement of the stock market the following week.
PairTheBoard
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03-19-2007, 04:38 AM
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Re: I T \' S A M I R A C L E ! ! ! !
You are assuming a lot. Apart from the sheer absurdity of a personal God, Dawkins et al make their case against any God on the complete lack of evidence of any such thing in our universe. How many times does a hypothesis have to be rejected before we realize that the thinking behind it might be causing the flawed hypotheses in the first place? They (and I) further make the case that the universe and all events of history look exactly like what you'd expect if there wasn't any kind of super force who intervened in the universe.
I think if there was evidence of an event even 1/1000th as incredible as what you describe, the vast majority of atheists would seriously reconsider there position. I for one am not closed to the possibility of a "greater force" coming from a spiritual dimension. And if a thousand people saw fairies in a park I would reconsider my position on that idea too.
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03-19-2007, 06:18 AM
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Re: I T \' S A M I R A C L E ! ! ! !
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I don't see why it would even slow down Dawkins and Co. - they would just have to readjust their rhetoric. [/ QUOTE ] Is that another one of your jokes? or is that your considered opinion? chez
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