Miniraised on beautiful flop: how to extract?

[Fiksdal]

My entire table got up and left me and villain heads up, I didn't really notice because I was multi tabling.

Full Tilt Poker
$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
2 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
BTN: $6.55
Hero (SB): $15.8

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($0.15, 2 players)
BTN calls $0.05, Hero checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($0.2, 2 players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.20</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $0.40</font>

What is the best way to extract here?

[allaboutmyfetti]

3-bet and shove the turn

[Wotsmycode]

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3-bet and shove the turn

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qft......
if you call he will likely check behind on the turn. IMO
hes only calling your 4 bet on the flop if hes on a draw. Dont shove flush turn!!!!! but I make a crying call!

[Michael Fish]

3b flop, pushy shove turn.

[Fiksdal]

I 3-bet shoved the flop... discuss.

[DannyOcean_]

Bad play. This pot is tiny, and we want to build it up so that when we do shove, villian has already put in a bunch of his stack and will call with anything. Sure, he minraised and must like his hand, but he only has .50 invested (less than 10% of his stack) and can still walk away). For the same reasons you don't shove KK or AA after a preflop raise, just raise him again and get in it later.

[svidrigailov]

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I 3-bet shoved the flop... discuss.

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Depends on how you've played before I think, but even if it's against a random guy for slightly more than a half stack it's hardly a seriously error supposing he calls with TP type hands even though playing the turn might give you slightly more value. You've prob got him crushed so I think it's alright just to put money in and hope he decides to call.

EDIT: By not a serious error I don't mean best and default play.

[DannyOcean_]

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it's hardly a seriously error

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I think it is a serious error. We are going to win this pot, sure, but shoving flop gives up soooooo much value that playing normally (3-betting) will capture. You don't have to lose a pot to make a serious error. This is like getting raised 4BB's preflop and shoving aces. We give up too much value, it's a bad play.

[svidrigailov]

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it's hardly a seriously error

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I think it is a serious error. We are going to win this pot, sure, but shoving flop gives up soooooo much value that playing normally (3-betting) will capture. You don't have to lose a pot to make a serious error. This is like getting raised 4BB's preflop and shoving aces. We give up too much value, it's a bad play.

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What I mean is that hands he calls a flop 3-bet with he will call an overbet with a decent amount of the time. My range for calling a 3-bet and calling an overbet is pretty similar with these stacks I think.

Of course you don't have to lose a pot to make an error.

[Fiksdal]

Doesn't 3-betting here kinda declare that I'm playing for stacks, no matter what sane amount I make it?

I was thinking an overbet shove looks more like a draw on this board, and is more likely to get called by top pair kind of hands.