Great I made 2 pair and he shoves

hemstock · #1 03-16-2007, 09:43 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($58.25)
UTG ($106.15)
MP ($271.55)
Hero ($127.75)
SB ($205.22)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, SB (poster) calls $4.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($16) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $11, SB folds, UTG calls $11.

Turn: ($38) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($38) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG calls $106.15 (All-In) ?

Unknown villain

ACChan · #2 03-16-2007, 10:16 PM

pretty weird line Villain took here!
its a WA/WB situation i think.
cant put him on 68 here.
could be a missed combo-draw,
why this big overbet @ the river?

personaly i'd call i think to see what he really had! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

any reads history stats or something for Villain.

Zaghomat · #3 03-16-2007, 10:19 PM

He's rarely value shoving a worse hand. You probably only beat a bluff here, I would fold.

ThaHero · #4 03-16-2007, 10:23 PM

I like a call here. Does he call 67 or 9J preflop UTG? I guess we don't know. Those and maaaaybe QT are the only hands I'm worried about. Seems like he is aggressive but would play a set or even an OESD differently on the flop or turn.

I guess I would cry and call but AI on the river is the nuts sometimes. To me his line just doesn't make sense, that's why I would call.

Panthro · #5 03-16-2007, 10:30 PM

somebody missed their turn c/r

wrschultz · #6 03-16-2007, 10:37 PM

FWIW, I probably call, but its probably -EV anyway... I also probably bet the turn because I'm a donkey.

AndyP · #7 03-16-2007, 10:57 PM

insta-fold. bottom two is not good here, even on party.

Jay Riall · #8 03-16-2007, 10:59 PM

Instafold.

ACG2x · #9 03-16-2007, 11:15 PM

I'm confused as hell as to what villan actually is holding in this spot. Missed FD and total air? Being a nit with A-Q?

This is one where in absence of any specific reads I'd lay it down. I'm convinced though we're either WAY ahead or WAY behind which are the only two reasons villan would take such a line.

To me though bottom two isn't enough ammo to make this call.

TeddyKGB69 · #10 03-17-2007, 01:12 AM

how can you guys call here..Firstly you are getting awful pot odds, secondly he massivly overbet the river. I think that we are behind here for sure, and 9/10 our 2pair is no good. Pushing all in like that we just cant call him, what a wierd line though.