Feeling bad when sucking out?

[AmonRaa]

I look at my session, see a hand I sucked out and feel akward about it. Yeah I won it and I like the money but this is the pot I shouldnt have won. Later I see my graph or WR and say to myself: Well, here's the spike when i won KK vs AA. That graph seems unreal to me. It shouldnt look like that. Ofc when i get sucked out i just think variance, i should have won it but didnt. I dont imagine how much more money I should have, but when its vice versa i do think this is nondeserving money. Funny, huh?

[bernie]

If you feel bad about it, you haven't been sucked out on nearly enough.

b

[Rainclouds]

I try to feel bad about it - because I should feel bad when I make a bad play - but when I do, the only thing I can think is "YES, JUSTICE AT LAST!"

[Taso]

Yup, I used to feel bad, but now I hardly ever make the wrong play to suck out, and constantly get sucked out on. I used to apologize to the guy, now I just pull in the chips and keep my mouth closed, and I don't feel guilty at all. Everyone sucks out on everyone (sounds hotter than it really is).

[Rainclouds]

But isn't it the right thing to feel bad when you suck out?

I mean,
- you are a good player if you make the right decisions, regardless the outcome
- you are a bad player if you make the wrong decisions, regardless the outcome

You may suck out on someone, but that means you made a wrong decision in that hand. Because of that, I WANT to feel bad about it, because it was -EV and I don't want to make similar bad decisions in the future. Conversely, I someone sucks out on me, I WANT to feel good, because my decision of throwing all my chips in there was major +EV.

[Eric Stoner]

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But isn't it the right thing to feel bad when you suck out?

I mean,
- you are a good player if you make the right decisions, regardless the outcome
- you are a bad player if you make the wrong decisions, regardless the outcome

You may suck out on someone, but that means you made a wrong decision in that hand. Because of that, I WANT to feel bad about it, because it was -EV and I don't want to make similar bad decisions in the future. Conversely, I someone sucks out on me, I WANT to feel good, because my decision of throwing all my chips in there was major +EV.

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I don't care. I don't either feel bad or feel good.

It's poker. It happens. There are nights when I have the best hand pre-flop and the novice players go too far with their hand and they win. There are more times when I have the best hand and the novice players go too far with their hand and I win.

There are times when I need the flop, turn, or river to help me and I "suck out" on the turn or river, and I win. There are times when the novice players do the same and I lose.

It doesn't matter. I don't feel bad either way. The only time I feel bad about my particular play when a novice player clearly shows me through his betting patterns that his hand is better and I fail to read his hand properly and I lose - usually a lot.

However, I don't care what the other players think of me and I really want them to think that I am a bad player, which on some nights it is pretty easy to do.

[Acein8ter]

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If you feel bad about it, you haven't been sucked out on nearly enough.

b

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[bernie]

You're putting it too much into a vaccuum and too literally results oriented.

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I mean,
- you are a good player if you make the right decisions, regardless the outcome
- you are a bad player if you make the wrong decisions, regardless the outcome


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It's not that b&w. You're a bad player if you repeatedly make the wrong decisions when factors point to another way of playing.

Your decision could easily have been right depending on the range of hands you put on the opponent. Even if that range includes some hands that, if you knew he had, you'd be wrong to take a certain course of action. But given that his range is wide enough, then the action is valid even if he actually does have that hand in hindsight. Make sense?

b

[Rainclouds]

Yes, that makes sense.

Indeed, if I put my money in on the flop with middle set and hit my miracle 1-outer against top set, I cannot say I played it badly since his range is wider than top set alone.

I guess I don't have to feel bad anymore then [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[HOWMANY]

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when I do, the only thing I can think is "YES, JUSTICE AT LAST!"

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This is exactly what I was going to post. Winning the money playing well feels pretty good, but sucking out feels fantastic. Maybe that's why people play so bad, for the rush of getting lucky.