bluffing A high flops vs. preflop raisers who check..

[ender555]

How often are u firing as a stone cold bluff here, when u are fairly confident the raiser has a mid ace/kk. I think i am bluffing too much in this spot, and also probly way to weak on turns when i do this. If you are firing here though, is it better to fire on the turn or the river assuming non scare cards if you're double barreling?

It seems like this is almost always gonna have to be a multi street bluff which is why i prolly shouldve just checked behind.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($487.45)
MP ($447.50)
CO ($745.50)
Button ($394)
SB ($402)
BB ($402)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $36</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $24.

Flop: ($76) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $60</font>, SB calls $60.

Turn: ($196) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($196) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $165</font>

[jlocdog]

I think I would normally be checking this flop. A 3bet outta the SB and then a checked flop seems sketchy/scary/confusing.....your read will need to come into play to understand what he does this with.

Once he calls your flop bet though, I most definetly check behind on turn. River does give you a credible card to fire on but I'm not convinced you bet flop with a flush draw given the preflop action. So even though river card is credible, I can't say the same for your line leading up to it.

A better line if you wanted to run a bluff, I think is to check flop and bet/raise turn. If he doesn't go away there, he ain't goin away.

[TheJared]

I think that a lot of people check with intending to call on these boards and thus I don't really like a flop lead. Also if your read is he has an A you definitely shouldn't bet this river.

If you put him on KK after the flop call, triple barrel here but I wouldn't bet once the turn goes c/c and if I did I would bet larger then the pot so it would be harder for him to call with one pair hands.

[soah]

A decent player is only playing a hand like this to induce bluffs.

[wdead]

I would just give up. His 3b range nails this flop and if he has KK or JJ he isnt check folding on the flop, which means you have to fire two maybe 3 barrels.

[PatInTheHat]

I don't mind your flop play but this really looks like a check intending to call play.

As wdead said I think the only shot at this board is a 3 barrel.

[pp262]

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I don't mind your flop play but this really looks like a check intending to call play.

As wdead said I think the only shot at this board is a 3 barrel.

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If he thinks you think you can put him off KK by firing 2 or 3 barrels he may also be doing this with AK.