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03-14-2007, 11:45 AM
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A basic preflop and flop decision with JJ
Villain is 20/17/3.3 over 2K+ hands. I don't have any notes or specific reads on him & I've only played a couple of uneventful orbits. The decisions in this hand are probably standard for most of you but they always pose me a problem both preflop and on the flop.
Party Poker No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $2/$4 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $97.60 UTG+1: $652.70 iSTRONG: $407.70 Button: $220.96 SB: $400 BB: $1526.91 Pre-flop: (6 players) iSTRONG is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">iSTRONG raises to $20</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $65</font>, 2 folds, iSTRONG calls. Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($138, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets $88</font>, iSTRONG...? 
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#2
03-14-2007, 11:49 AM
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Re: A basic preflop and flop decision with JJ
I would just call and re-evaluate turn based on if and how much villain bets out. That said take my advice with a grain of salt as I'm struggling with JJ right now as well.
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#4
03-14-2007, 12:00 PM
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Re: A basic preflop and flop decision with JJ
I think i fold this PF. This spot with QQ is also really nasty.
I was discussing it with another guy yesterday, pushing PF is obv. bad, calling is a bit better cause now you can fold if a A or K hits (or Q with JJ). but if there is no higher card that is still not enough to push... I don't know with QQ but i think i fold this PF to stay out of trouble, you're just hoping to be up against AK for a coinflip. Feel free to comment my reasoning.
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#6
03-14-2007, 12:03 PM
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Re: A basic preflop and flop decision with JJ
I dont mind dumping it preflop but calling is fine. Call and re-ev flop, nothing very wrong with just folding here either though.
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#7
03-14-2007, 12:15 PM
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Re: A basic preflop and flop decision with JJ
In position, I'll make this call preflop nearly ~90% of the time and OOP I would call ~50% of the time.
On the flop, I think you have to call. Raising is going to commit you and folding is just bad when you consider you called preflop, have JJ on a 9 high board non-monotone board, Villain will be firing at almost any flop and also be checking a lot of turns OOP.
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#8
03-14-2007, 12:32 PM
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Re: A basic preflop and flop decision with JJ
Agree with Hatt.
Folding against a player like this (3betting OOP) preflop is not a horrible thing if you careful watch him going forward to make sure he doesn't start 3betting you more. There are some fundamental problems here: calling preflop, what kind of flop are you looking for? While not ideal, this flop certainly isn't bad. But the second problem is he seems like a reasonable player given his stats, and he's been around for a while (2K hands), and he could pretty specifically narrow your range to: JJ, AK, maybe QQ, TT...99? What about QQ then? Check-raising the Flop?
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