I never do this but...

[Newtown]

Villain is 23/16/2 over a large sample and pretty straight forward so I'm almost certain he wouldn't 3bet the turn here with anything worse than a Q. I figure this way I charge the FD, JT, AJ etc.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

[TheWunderkind]

looks good

[sharpie]

I would just calldown and value bet the river if checked to. A bet is going in on the river the vast majority of the time so I don't see much point to the turn raise. I guess if you're certain he won't 3 bet the turn with a worse hand, and he'll calldown with worse hands you're risking nothing to win an extra bet. But he might sometimes fold a worse hand to the turn raise.

[TheWunderkind]

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But he might sometimes fold a worse hand to the turn raise.

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good point

[Newtown]

Bump for the night crew.

[TheHip41]

seriously. i don't see why everyone is trying to "get value from a draw" and thereby opening themselves up to getting 3bet.

A flush draw is going to charge themselves anyway. And any pair is "value betting" you, so you don't even lose value.

I can see some guys 3betting JT here, which is a nightmare, because now you are folding as a 3-1 favorite

[jba]

any hand that is going to call your 3bet will bet the river too. and you're an underdog.

[silkyslim]

I just let the opther guy bet for me from the flop on. If he doesn't bet, I do.

[Nick C]

Even if your read is completely accurate and Villain has to have at least trips here once he 3-bets, the raise-fold costs more than it appears to since you have 4 outs against a flopped straight. Against KJ or J8, for instance, your hand is worth ~1 BB at the point where you folded. And while we should probably discount J8 somewhat, I'm thinking Villain is playing all 16 combos of KJ. (Edit: And, by the way, you also have four outs against 99.)

Plus, as others have pointed out, Villain is usually going to fire again on the river no matter what he has.

[BigBadBabar]

i just go into calldown mode.