Queens - ditch the biatch?

AmonRaa · #1 03-13-2007, 06:07 PM

Prima Nl20 game
villain and i have full stacks

4 limpers to me in SB an i make it 8BB to go with QQ. First limper reraises to 16BB. I had the odds for set hunting so i called. Flop came 255. I check and he bets pot. Hero folds?

If answer is yes, would it make any difference if hero held KK?

davekngs · #2 03-13-2007, 06:09 PM

that is a terrible fold mate, some of the others are going to flame you for this.

you got minraised PF and your assuming his range is only AA/KK?

oh ye correct way to play it... c/c, lead turn

[censored] it a push PF is +EV at NL20 and so is CRAI on the flop

basically do anything but check fold the flop and it will be massive progress

AmonRaa · #3 03-13-2007, 06:27 PM

Thx for input.

Basicly I put him exactly on those hands. Villains at this level dont get cute. Limp reraise after i made big raise screamed AA to me.

Seeing monster perhaps.

raistlinx · #4 03-13-2007, 08:36 PM

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Thx for input.

Basicly I put him exactly on those hands. Villains at this level dont get cute. Limp reraise after i made big raise screamed AA to me.

Seeing monster perhaps.

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What other hand does he do this with?

raistlinx · #5 03-13-2007, 08:38 PM

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that is a terrible fold mate, some of the others are going to flame you for this.

you got minraised PF and your assuming his range is only AA/KK?

oh ye correct way to play it... c/c, lead turn

[censored] it a push PF is +EV at NL20 and so is CRAI on the flop

basically do anything but check fold the flop and it will be massive progress

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No, he got limp/min raised when in this case the 'min' raise isn't so small. What other hands does he do this with? JJ???

solvine · #6 03-13-2007, 08:55 PM

villain could be doing this with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/1010, AK at this limit. At this limit players are soo bad they do all kinds of rubbish.! You are beating AK/JJ losing to AA/KK. If you call you are committing 36bb and i owuld probably fold here with QQ, but definately not with KK as you are beating QQ,JJ and will get paid off enough times by those hands at this limit for going all the way to be profitable.

raistlinx · #7 03-13-2007, 11:44 PM

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villain could be doing this with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/1010, AK at this limit. At this limit players are soo bad they do all kinds of rubbish.! You are beating AK/JJ losing to AA/KK. If you call you are committing 36bb and i owuld probably fold here with QQ, but definately not with KK as you are beating QQ,JJ and will get paid off enough times by those hands at this limit for going all the way to be profitable.

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Some players will but most won't. The problem with your logic is that you are assigning each possibility equally.

Jurrr · #8 03-14-2007, 05:36 AM

This is really tough to advice on without reads. Against an unknown I probably check-call flop and go from there.

kurto · #9 03-14-2007, 10:58 AM

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No, he got limp/min raised when in this case the 'min' raise isn't so small. What other hands does he do this with? JJ???

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I agree. Regardless of how bad the player is (and limp min-re-raise means he's probably an idiot)... I agree that this is strong hand. The odds of it being 1010 or JJ are significantly less the KK or AA.