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Old 03-13-2007, 12:18 AM
ftball0000 ftball0000 is offline
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Default J9s on the button

Villan is typical LP 43/7/1 folded to my c-bet last orbit when in the same situation (he limped early and I raised OTB)

Full Tilt Poker
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
5 Players
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<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
SB: $199
UTG: $92.45
MP: $310.35
CO: $484.40
Hero (BTN): $266.55

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($3, 5 players)
MP calls $2, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9</font>, SB folds, UTG folds, MP calls $7

<font color="black">Flop:</font> A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($21, 2 players)
MP checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $16</font>, MP calls $16

<font color="black">Turn:</font> A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] ($53, 2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">River:</font> A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] ($53, 2 players)
<font color="red">MP bets $53</font>, Hero calls $53

Standard? Bet turn? Raise River?
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:27 AM
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Default Re: J9s on the button

Nice hand.
Turnbet doesn't accomplish too much as he won't fold an ace or a better flush draw.
I don't think villain calls a riverraise with too many hands you beat either. Maybe he calls a minraise. Would be different if the river was the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
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Old 03-13-2007, 12:33 AM
jetsetboy jetsetboy is offline
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Default Re: J9s on the button

Grunching: I'm betting $18 on the flop because that's what I bet with Ax hands. I'm betting the turn because I like to build a pot if I hit and because I play sets like that. LP like that often float oop on any board and fold to a second barrel. If he c/raise big I can be in big trouble so maybe it is a leak. As played I'm calling the river because I don't think there is much value in raising the river.
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: J9s on the button

All looks fine to me
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:29 AM
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Default Re: J9s on the button

I think its a good spot for a river min/raise...but this is fine.
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:41 AM
Poncharello Poncharello is offline
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Default Re: J9s on the button

I like the way you played it from start to finish. Really don't like the idea of raising here. 4th nut flush on a paired board is not the ideal spot to raise an LP who bet on the river. Just my opinion.


A.J.
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:46 AM
Ryanb9 Ryanb9 is offline
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Default Re: J9s on the button

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I think its a good spot for a river min/raise...but this is fine.

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i disagree 100% ... call dont raise
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Old 03-13-2007, 01:57 AM
J. Stew J. Stew is offline
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Default Re: J9s on the button

why? smaller flushes, naked aces that don't believe you prob. call, i don't think a minraise is close to terrible.
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Old 03-13-2007, 02:03 AM
Poncharello Poncharello is offline
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why? smaller flushes, naked aces that don't believe you prob. call, i don't think a minraise is close to terrible.

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While I do agree somewhat with you that the villian could call with these hands, I think you are forgetting that he is Loose Passive. So now you have to ask, "What would he bet here?" I dont know if any of those hands that you mentioned would qualify, but Ive been wrong before.

A.J.
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Old 03-13-2007, 02:22 AM
J. Stew J. Stew is offline
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why? smaller flushes, naked aces that don't believe you prob. call, i don't think a minraise is close to terrible.

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While I do agree somewhat with you that the villian could call with these hands, I think you are forgetting that he is Loose Passive. So now you have to ask, "What would he bet here?" I dont know if any of those hands that you mentioned would qualify, but Ive been wrong before.

A.J.

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no you're right i thought he bet half pot on the riv. call = good.
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