5/10 turn 2 pair...yikes!

WalkAmongUs · #1 03-12-2007, 11:55 PM

Button is LAGgy at 32/19/1.78 over 200 hands. I've had to fold to his aggression at least a couple times and have yet to show down against him.

MP2 is 29/9/1 over 150 hands. Haven't really seen anything worth noting out of him.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (6.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, CO folds, Button 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, Button calls, MP2 3-bets, Hero...

RED_RAIN · #2 03-13-2007, 12:06 AM

Prepare to lose [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I'm not so sure I would raise this flop but perhaps I'm being too passive lately. I might call and hope to hit 2 pair on turn or take it away. I don't think folding is a huge mistake if at all.

On the turn, you are likely game over, you can call for FH, but I would never cap it on turn.

dvs112 · #3 03-13-2007, 12:12 AM

MP2 calling the 3bet on the flop and then betting out on the turn is interesting... 33 might be a distinct possibility, since he might be able to get the button (or you) to raise the turn.

Even with the dead money from the button, I think you need to lay it down here, especially with 29/9/1 stats, straight forward, etc... plus there are tons of cards that kill you on the river (spade, Q or a T).

WolfTickets · #4 03-13-2007, 12:18 AM

My first post — sorry if I talk funny.

From the action on the flop, the button could hold a big ace (A+Q, J or T) or very well be on a flush draw and trying for a free card on the turn. From the 3-bet on the turn, coupled with no raise pre-flop, I'm guessing you're up against either A-J or a total bluff.
That said, with no solid read on the guy, I'd shut it down and go check-call the rest of the way.

Let me know if I suck.

RED_RAIN · #5 03-13-2007, 12:45 AM

MP2 unlikely to have AJo as he would raise preflop most but small possibility

Button does not have large Ace ever if you look at his stats, he's screaming he has flush draw if he won't raise back on turn and if he does have hand, likely A3.

JojoDiego · #6 03-13-2007, 01:16 AM

On the turn, I can't think of anything we're beating. But, we're getting 12-1 to draw to the full house (which chops sometimes), and 13-2 to call down for a chop. Add in the small chance he's just getting frisky unreasonably, and I probably call at least the turn.

I think I like the flop raise to protect your hand in this good pot, but I'd fear I was spewing. These kinda hands give me fits.

bakku · #7 03-13-2007, 07:07 AM

this is a really easy fold to MP's flop bet. you have a bunch of players left to act behind you and all you have is middle pair on an A high flop in a game where people love to play any ace.

Chino987 · #8 03-13-2007, 11:34 AM

autofold flop pls

Frank Zappy · #9 03-13-2007, 12:20 PM

Raise or fold PF.

We have to know where we stand in MP w KJ and calling just doesn't cut it; depending on the table and my mood I'll either do one or the other but never call anymore.

Best case you isolate LAG limper out of position, any reraises behind you means you have to hit flop very hard to continue