50nl JJ on button in Rerasied Pot

blinlk182 · #1 03-10-2007, 12:14 PM

Villain is 19/14 over 100 hands. Comments appreciated

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB ($53.40)
BB ($62.95)
UTG ($49.50)
MP ($32.50)
Hero ($65.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($12.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero raises to $20, SB calls $14.

Turn: ($52.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($52.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $62.50

crushednuts · #2 03-10-2007, 12:47 PM

I think you will see KK or QQ here almost every time.. If he called you on the flop w/ AK he got there anyways. TT would never value bet this river.. Even getting 5 to 1 this is a fold

rakes.a.beach · #3 03-10-2007, 12:49 PM

six to one.

blinlk182 · #4 03-10-2007, 01:16 PM

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six to one.

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Yes, I'm getting 6 to 1. Do you still advocate a call? Honestly, what do I beat here?

Warteen · #5 03-10-2007, 02:06 PM

Edit: Nevermind, stack sizes...

Fold.

J. Stew · #6 03-10-2007, 02:26 PM

the only hands he bets the river like that are with kk and an unlikely 45s tho he'd prob. bet more as with qq. you might be able to raise and rep qq but with the stack sizes it's less than a psr so it prolly wouldn't work i'd just fold.

Debaser · #7 03-10-2007, 02:47 PM

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TT, 99, 88, 77 could all conceivably reraise pf with those stats. One thing's for sure, he not bluffing with that bet. I expect to see AA/QQ here a lot but there's enough doubt here for me to call getting sick odds and hope it's a blocking bet with a smaller pp.

sebbb · #8 03-10-2007, 02:48 PM

Do you guys like the flop raise?

Debaser · #9 03-10-2007, 03:04 PM

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Do you guys like the flop raise?

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The 100bbish stack sizes make everything suck in this spot. Call the half pot bet on the flop and any Q, K or A on the turn makes you puke. Plus calling tells you nothing about his hand. Raising to $20 means you pretty much have to go with it if he pushes since he could either be getting giddy with AK or AQ or thinks he has the best hand with a lower pp. Plus you could suck out.
Folding is obviously double gay.

More I think about it I snap call this river though. Pretend it's a limit hand and you're calling with king high [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

J. Stew · #10 03-10-2007, 03:21 PM

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Do you guys like the flop raise?

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The 100bbish stack sizes make everything suck in this spot. Call the half pot bet on the flop and any Q, K or A on the turn makes you puke. Plus calling tells you nothing about his hand. Raising to $20 means you pretty much have to go with it if he pushes since he could either be getting giddy with AK or AQ or thinks he has the best hand with a lower pp. Plus you could suck out.
Folding is obviously double gay.

More I think about it I snap call this river though. Pretend it's a limit hand and you're calling with king high [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I agree that the river looks very tasty but if I put myself in nittish villain's shoes, I cannot see myself betting an easily-callable-amount on the river w/ TT. That seems like an advanced play for him to bet so small, something we could easily call after we c/r the flop showing strength, as a bluff instead of a value bet. of course he could be putting us on eights or something and be value betting TT but I think he'd just check it down . . . or make a blocking bet like THIS!!! arggghghh.