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Old 03-09-2007, 10:53 AM
crippled foe crippled foe is offline
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Default mid pair multiway, calldown?

The villain is a complete moron - 84/74/4.8!

No other significant read of other players.
Can I call down here even with two other guys going along for the ride?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP caps</font>, CO calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls, Hero ???? folds
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Old 03-09-2007, 11:11 AM
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Default Re: mid pair multiway, calldown?

Call the turn. Like you said, MP his range is any2 here, and the others havent shown strength.

Calling the turn doesn't mean you're going to call a riverbet too, that depends on the rivercard / action. But here there's too big a change your hand is best in order to fold
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Old 03-09-2007, 11:31 AM
Happytime Harry Happytime Harry is offline
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Default Re: mid pair multiway, calldown?

Bet the flop and try and get it heads up.
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Old 03-09-2007, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: mid pair multiway, calldown?

why the hell didnt you bet the flop.
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Old 03-09-2007, 12:47 PM
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Default Re: mid pair multiway, calldown?

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why the hell didnt you bet the flop.

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because villian capped

I call the turn and river gotta get it to sd
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Old 03-09-2007, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: mid pair multiway, calldown?

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why the hell didnt you bet the flop.

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because villian capped

I call the turn and river gotta get it to sd

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oops!

i'd bet the turn. whatever you do dont fold you have the nuts.
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Old 03-09-2007, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: mid pair multiway, calldown?

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why the hell didnt you bet the flop.

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because villian capped


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isnt this exactly the reason to bet? as villain will almost 100% certainly raise, and have the others face 2 bets cold with the prospect of another raise from you?

against this villain i want to get HU and see the river, i'm not worried about his hand and assume i'm best on this flop.

if someone after villain 3-bets i can fold as a 3-bet from someone else is always at least the J.

if someone flatcalls i might call and lead a (non Ace)turn again hoping he will fold to the double bet there.
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Old 03-09-2007, 11:55 PM
TheWunderkind TheWunderkind is offline
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Default Re: mid pair multiway, calldown?

why should we respect a cap from a 80/70 guy?

bet the Flop hoping villain raises sound good to me
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Old 03-10-2007, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: mid pair multiway, calldown?

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why should we respect a cap from a 80/70 guy?

bet the Flop hoping villain raises sound good to me

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