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#1
03-08-2007, 10:21 AM
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Fold or push vs TAG
Villian was 20/14.
Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game 6 Players LegoPoker Hand Converter <font color="black">Stack Sizes</font> MP: $14.85 Hero (CO): $54.85 BTN: $92.50 SB: $27.55 BB: $29.8 UTG: $25.25 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($0.75, 6 players) UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $6</font>, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls $4 <font color="black">Flop:</font> J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($12.75, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $8</font>, Hero calls $8 <font color="black">Turn:</font> J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($28.75, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $10</font>, <font color="red"> He has been very aggressive lately. He was pre flop raising alot and betting every time it was checked to him. I didn't know what his 3 bet range was and he had never been played back at so I didn't know if he would lay down. Without those specific reads is this a push or fold? 
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#2
03-08-2007, 10:28 AM
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Re: Fold or push vs TAG
Even if hes lag you're beat here. If he is tag he has a set or an overpair so muck, best case senario he has something with outs, but I feel like you are definitly beat, so fold the flop.
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#4
03-08-2007, 10:39 AM
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Re: Fold or push vs TAG
I think you're in trouble because of your flop call. Your call on the flop and subsequent turn check gives the Villain a lot of options on the turn.
I'd prefer a c/r on the flop to really find out where you're at in the hand. Betting out on the flop works as well: bet $10 on the flop and you should find out where you're at pretty quickly. My opinion, anyway.
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#5
03-08-2007, 10:46 AM
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Re: Fold or push vs TAG
I think the problem is the PF call OOP agains 20/14
FLOP -C/R sucks.The pot is already 20$.How much can you CR here to see where you are ? I don't say I have a good way to play this hand but I'm shure calling PF and CR FLOP are bad. EDIT: If you bet out on the FLOP and he calls what is the plan on a blank turn ? C/F?
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#6
03-08-2007, 10:54 AM
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Re: Fold or push vs TAG
I know that the standard play would be to fold the flop and had he not been completely bullying the table for the last 40 hands I would have.
I am defeinitely calling pre flop getting almost 2.5:1. I thought given the situation I could float and represent a monster on the turn. I just wasn't sure he could lay a decent hand down. I guess without that knowledge I need to play it more standard.
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#7
03-08-2007, 10:55 AM
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Re: Fold or push vs TAG
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If you bet out on the FLOP and he calls what is the plan on a blank turn? [/ QUOTE ] Bet a blank turn card; c/f otherwise. [ QUOTE ] CR FLOP are bad [/ QUOTE ] I think a c/r on the flop depends on how often Button c-bets. A c-bet on this flop is mandatory and I think you win more often than not here, especially if the Button is thinking player. If you re-raise someone PF and they c/r you on an A-high flop, you've got to think you're beaten unless your holding 2-pair or better. Or maybe I'm a nit...
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#8
03-08-2007, 10:56 AM
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Re: Fold or push vs TAG
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I thought given the situation I could float and represent a monster on the turn. I just wasn't sure he could lay a decent hand down. I guess without that knowledge I need to play it more standard. [/ QUOTE ] My only problem with this type of move is that there are a lot of cards that could hit on fourth street that make it likely that you'll be facing a monster hand.
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#9
03-08-2007, 10:57 AM
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Re: Fold or push vs TAG
[ QUOTE ]
I know that the standard play would be to fold pre flop and had he not been completely bullying the table for the last 40 hands I would have folded the flop. I am defeinitely calling pre flop getting almost 2.5:1. I thought given the situation I could float and represent a monster on the turn. I just wasn't sure he could lay a decent hand down. I guess without that knowledge I need to play it more standard. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you can represent a monster very well using: C/C flop C/C turn ... If he was 3betting you a lot PF you could have arguments to make a stand.
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