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WuTank · #1 03-08-2007, 09:48 AM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, MP calls, CO 3-bets, Button calls, SB folds, Hero caps, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (17 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (10 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

River: (10 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 10 BB

there are no improvements right?

mvoss · #2 03-08-2007, 09:56 AM

Bet the turn, you don't want to give a free card to the billion draws outthere. Taking it down on the turn here would be great (not that it happens very often).

WuTank · #3 03-08-2007, 09:57 AM

yeah but try to see my point.I am new on a table capped PF, there must be an ace.Also any spades calls me down so i might lose 2 BBs here to any ace if river isnt a spades.I would have value bettet the river for sure after this turn check through

mvoss · #4 03-08-2007, 10:06 AM

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I am new on a table capped PF, there must be an ace.Also any spades calls me down so i might lose 2 BBs here to any ace if river isnt a spades.I would have value bettet the river for sure after this turn check through

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First sentence isn't necessarily true.

I think it's important to stay aggressive in a pot this big. Sure you'll get called by any spade on the turn, but would you rather give them a free card?

WuTank · #5 03-08-2007, 10:10 AM

well honsetly i spring up my chair screamed some random german words at the monitor and went out of the room and came back to see the river.I was going to check fold the turn.Is this 2 passiv?

pmiranda.pt · #6 03-08-2007, 10:23 AM

Bet the turn, if you are reraised them you are probably against an Ace pair.
Check/fold the river, U are up against a flush or straight.

mik76 · #7 03-08-2007, 11:57 AM

A question about this hand. After betting the turn suppose:

1 - Both check. What are you doing on the river?
2 - One opponent reraise. Do you fold?

SuperUberBob · #8 03-08-2007, 12:01 PM

Why bet the turn? If the goal is to get players to fold, you can forget it. If any of them have a spade, straight draw, or ace, then they're not folding. If they called the flop, they're likely going to the river. If a draw is completed on the river, then what. You going to just check/fold?

I would definitely bet the turn if one of the kings was a spade, but given the current conditions. You could be drawing dead for all you know.

mvoss · #9 03-08-2007, 12:18 PM

So because there could be an A outthere and because noone is folding you want to start giving free cards in big pots with tons of draws? This does not sound right to me. We could be ahead for all we know...

WuTank · #10 03-08-2007, 01:23 PM

i check call the river if a safe card hits (11:1).
fold the turn to reraise (i am counting 1 out,the none spade king),call if i have the King of spades.