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Old 03-07-2007, 04:53 AM
odawg09090 odawg09090 is offline
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Default FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?

I'm sorry I don't have a converter on this computer for this hand... However, the hand is easier to read here <font color="blue"> </font> .

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Game #1937561389: Table Derbyhill (6 max) - $50/$100 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:37:57 ET - 2007/03/07
Seat 1: bb_ShiNing ($2,345)
Seat 2: ihateMafiagames ($4,804.50)
Seat 3: KOMIJENDO ($40,860.50)
Seat 4: jinsokkp ($18,435.50)
Seat 5: The Gift of Gab ($12,041)
Seat 6: Mike Matusow ($12,591.95)
KOMIJENDO posts the small blind of $50
jinsokkp posts the big blind of $100
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jinsokkp [Ad, Kc]
The Gift of Gab folds
Mike Matusow folds
bb_ShiNing folds
ihateMafiagames raises to $300
KOMIJENDO calls $250
jinsokkp raises to $1,500
ihateMafiagames folds
KOMIJENDO has 15 seconds left to act
KOMIJENDO calls $1,200
*** FLOP *** [Td 3d 7h]
KOMIJENDO checks
jinsokkp checks
*** TURN *** [Td 3d 7h] [Kd]
KOMIJENDO checks
<font color="red"> jinsokkp bets $1888 </font>
KOMIJENDO raises to $6,000
jinsokkp has 15 seconds left to act
jinsokkp calls $4,112
*** RIVER *** [Td 3d 7h Kd] [Qc]
KOMIJENDO bets $15,300
jinsokkp has 15 seconds left to act... (10.1K for me to call)


Commments: On the turn, I wasn't sure if checking or betting is better. Villan is Komijendo who's a super loose player (34/22) and kind of aggressive. He does things like calls super preflop reraises OOP with suited connectors. I haven't seen him bluff big this session. I felt like while there was value in betting the turn, after I did it, I felt like it was so easy for him to force me off of what I'm representing (Naked Ace Diamond or AK with no diamond). So a check is the only fundamentally correct play here, right?
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:05 AM
Allinlife Allinlife is offline
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Default Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?

i think you have to call against villain you described because from his perspective your hand looks sooo transparent that air makes up large % of his range
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:14 AM
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Default Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?

I'm an SSNL-er and haven't played for a week or so for finals and been messing around reading HSNL and there's just so much leveling going on its insane and awesome... It's like you can't do anything right because he'll know you did it and [censored] you... fun stuff
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:36 AM
PMP07 PMP07 is offline
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Default Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?

Hey Jinso. Because you checked the flop, your hand is pretty transparent in my opinion. Komijendo is a loose player like your stats showed, and is also a thinking player and realizes you probably had two overcards when you checked the flop. Komijendo is capable of a bunch of holdings, and I think its really close between calling and folding. What does he think of you, and what was your current image at the table? Does he feel you would only check behind on the flop with a couple overs? If you feel he puts you on AK, I would actually lean towards calling.
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Old 03-07-2007, 11:36 AM
Jason Strasser (strassa2) Jason Strasser (strassa2) is offline
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Default Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?

komi is tough, I do think though that he probably has it here a lot. I usually fold in this spot.
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:13 PM
LAGOOFL247 LAGOOFL247 is offline
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Default Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?

GROSS spot.

Flop - why not c-bet?

Turn
I like a turn push if hero doesn't think villan has it on the turn.

BUT, the turn call coupled with hero's "value bet" read suggests hero thinks villan has it.

River
What does hero beat except air? If, as it seems, hero thinks villan has it, FOLD.
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:47 PM
Lefort Lefort is offline
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Default Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?

As played I call turn, fold river.

But I think I check the turn and get a bet in on the river.
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Old 03-07-2007, 02:59 PM
Boosted J Boosted J is offline
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Default Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?

wow I had no idea you were jinsokkp, what was your party name? I forgot, you've improved 10x fold since party days I forgot your old party name but I know you improved tons. PM me your party name if you dont want it known
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?

Wow this hand is really weird. Looks like a fold on the river though.
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:32 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: FT 50/100, big pot: I turn top pair + NFD. Bet or Check?

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Wow this hand is really weird. Looks like a fold on the river though.

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If we were villain, what hand range would we give Hero? I think it would be a very weak hand range which makes this a call on the river for me. I think if we had JJ it would be a more difficult decision.
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