$16: KK Early, Ace Flop

NU Star · #1 03-06-2007, 04:35 PM

Call the river bet? Anything else different?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t1500)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1460)
BB (t1460)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1380)
MP1 (t1710)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t20, MP2 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t140, 2 folds, BB calls t120, MP1 calls t120, MP2 folds.

Flop: (t450) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t450) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (t450) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets t140, Hero calls t140, BB folds.

Final Pot: t730

Sparta45 · #2 03-06-2007, 04:40 PM

I guess you can call just because the bet is so small.....you don't need to be ahead often to break even.

If he bets much more, I'm folding. For this small of a bet, I would probably call.

jafeather · #3 03-06-2007, 04:41 PM

I'd raise less PF. Raising to 100 will get you the same effect as 140.

I think you can bet the pot in position on the flop, and shutdown if you meet resistance (although I'm not completely opposed to the check.)

As played I check behind on turn.

As played I'm folding the river. The only hand you're beating is air.

Oubliette · #4 03-06-2007, 05:01 PM

i feel like i bet this turn every time. as played i guess call river, ppl routinely bet a 9 or TT or something here.

NU Star · #5 03-06-2007, 05:03 PM

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I'd raise less PF. Raising to 100 will get you the same effect as 140.

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Could you elaborate?

jafeather · #6 03-06-2007, 05:21 PM

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I'd raise less PF. Raising to 100 will get you the same effect as 140.

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Anyone who's calling the raise to 100 is most likely also calling the raise to 140. Likewise, anyone who's folding to the raise to 140 is also folding to the raise to 100. No matter which you bet, you see the flop with the exact same people.

In this case, I like the standard raise of 3BB+1BB/limper. You are still building a big pot with a monster hand. At the same time, you are still maintaining a small enough pot size that you are not committing such a huge chunk of your stack in case of a dangerous flop. In this hand, for example, making a pot-sized bet when checked to on the flop would only cost you 330 (instead of 450.)

Fels krone · #7 03-06-2007, 05:31 PM

I think you have a point, but I still would raise to 120 rather than 100 here. People will shell out 80 more, but think about it a little bit more when that number hits the triple digits. More of a pyschological perspective, Im not really sure if yall give any value to that approach.

pifhluk · #8 03-06-2007, 05:47 PM

Bet the flop

A) youll find out if your beat
B) they both fold to you

Its early ppl are calling here with pps, qj, k10, kq and other donkey hands, if no one reraises you on your flop bet then I would say you are ahead. I think its unlikely there going to just flat call with a4+ They also may put you on ak, aq, etc.

They both checked to you too, you have to bet this flop, they are not checking an A to you unless its aq.

RexWoo · #9 03-07-2007, 04:12 AM

I reaaaaaaaally like you line. I might bet the turn but I am more and more convinced that a check is better.

On the river,I would call even if the bet was bigger.

Bryn · #10 03-07-2007, 10:46 AM

Your line seems fine.

There's not much you can beat on the river so I wouldn't call a larger bet, but this one is just small enougth to call. Your preflop raise is fine, you have the best hand so bet as much as you can get away with and still be called. With two callers you have to check this flop. You still have showdown value so trying to check down is good.