10/20 AJo - Is this standard?

joy2mike · #1 02-12-2006, 03:05 PM

Please give me a reality check? Preflop OK? Is flop standard or Weak?
Opponent is 18/14/1.3 but only 75 hands.

Party Poker 10.00/20.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.25 BB.

Joe Tall · #2 02-12-2006, 03:14 PM

No way you should fold online here. Check call down; if the turn is checked through, check raise the river.

poker1O1 · #3 02-12-2006, 03:22 PM

donking this flop is bad. my order of preferred options assuming blanks is
1) b/f river
2) c/c river
3) c/r turn

goofball · #4 02-12-2006, 03:23 PM

Absolutely not. Just call down. Don't, however, do something silly like bet-fold the turn. If he uses his position well and checks behind the river with KQ or whatever so be it, just showdown your hand.

mterry · #5 02-12-2006, 03:46 PM

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donking this flop is bad.

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why?

SackUp · #6 02-12-2006, 04:10 PM

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donking this flop is bad.

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why?

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b/c you are either way ahead or way behind right now so you want to get to SD cheaply. You don't want to fold something like KK, JJ, 1010, 99 and maybe even KQ. Let him continue to bet it for you. You also don't want to get smoked by something like AK, AQ, or QQ.

Also, a donk here usually means the person has crap, a fd or a medium piece and is trying to feel out. You will be raised by a lot of lesser hands and can then get pushed of their hand. Don't let them bully you with position.

rdkim11 · #7 02-12-2006, 07:13 PM

man, you should have raise there!

It is reasonable to assume that the opponent has KK, simply because he three-bet

George Rice · #8 02-12-2006, 07:21 PM

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if the turn is checked through, check raise the river.

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That's pretty aggressive play. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

I'd normally just bet the river. Too much of a chance he'll check again.

joy2mike · #9 02-12-2006, 08:07 PM

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donking this flop is bad.

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why?

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b/c you are either way ahead or way behind right now so you want to get to SD cheaply. You don't want to fold something like KK, JJ, 1010, 99 and maybe even KQ. Let him continue to bet it for you. You also don't want to get smoked by something like AK, AQ, or QQ.

Also, a donk here usually means the person has crap, a fd or a medium piece and is trying to feel out. You will be raised by a lot of lesser hands and can then get pushed of their hand. Don't let them bully you with position.

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Thanks... in smaller stakes I donked the flop and I feel like that worked out (seemed like there was enough Ax lovers out there). If I'd get raised, I'd usually call down and it was amazing how often AJo was still good.
In these slightly higher stakes, I feel like a donkey lately, missing value bets and betting value for my opponent... so I've been trying to temper my aggression with more bet/fold lines.
I like the WA/WB check/call line a lot to turn the tables on the "betting value for my opponent" ledger.
In fact, thinking about it, if I had AK I think I like the check call line a lot too (until he checks behind on turn and rivers a flush with KQs!).
I feel like I've learned something today. Thanks

Joe Tall · #10 02-12-2006, 08:26 PM

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if the turn is checked through, check raise the river.

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That's pretty aggressive play. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

I'd normally just bet the river. Too much of a chance he'll check again.

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They can't resist betting when checked to twice and if they are checking through; they're not playing off so check the river.