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#1
03-04-2007, 08:11 PM
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Betting the river for value 2 hands.
Do you bet the river in these situations?
HAND#1 Villain is loose-aggressive preflop and passive postflop. Something like 50/10/0.50 Ultimate Bet Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.25./$0.5 9 players Converter Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.4SB, 5 players) Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, Button calls. Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.7BB, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls. River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.7BB, 2 players) Hero???? HAND#2 SB is 28/11/0.60 MP1 is 50/10/0.50 Ultimate Bet Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $0.25./$0.5 10 players Converter Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero checks. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5SB, 5 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, SB calls. Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls, SB calls. River: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8.5BB, 3 players) SB checks, Hero ???? 
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#6
03-04-2007, 08:22 PM
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Re: Betting the river for value 2 hands.
To be honest I didn't bother to put them on a hand before writing my response. I saw how many hands they play, how strong your hands were and how passive your opponents were. You have a good hand, your opponents are all loose/passive so they will call with lots of worse hands and I don't think they aggressive enough to raise a worse hand especially on these boards. These thoughts let to my response.
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#7
03-04-2007, 08:24 PM
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Re: Betting the river for value 2 hands.
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Hand 1 is def. bet/call. Hand 2 is a bet, but whether your fold or call depends on the action. Obv. fold for two bets. [/ QUOTE ] Why is hand 1 a def. bet/call against a player this passive, is it because of potsize?
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#8
03-04-2007, 08:28 PM
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Re: Betting the river for value 2 hands.
** grunch **
TJO, Hand 1: I bet/call, villain may have another A or an underpair here depending on how bad he is. The flush is unlikely given that it only came on the turn, you can expect a straight, A5 or a set to raise the turn. Hand 2: This would be a b/f for me but I'm starting to wonder whether this encourages people to bluff raise me. Anyway the problem here is that the FD has been around from the flop so it's the most likely hand for villain to be drawing to.
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#9
03-04-2007, 08:30 PM
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Re: Betting the river for value 2 hands.
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[ QUOTE ] Hand 1 is def. bet/call. Hand 2 is a bet, but whether your fold or call depends on the action. Obv. fold for two bets. [/ QUOTE ] Why is hand 1 a def. bet/call against a player this passive, is it because of potsize? [/ QUOTE ] Not just that, but because it was a runner-runner flush, not a regular flush draw. If we lose this pot, I think it'd be to A9 much more than a flush. I think a c/r is a bluff here often enough.
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