10NL Set on the river, how to extract?

Supwithbates · #1 03-03-2007, 11:55 AM

Villain is 33/7/1.77 over 60 hands
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($11)
UTG ($5.60)
MP ($14.50)
Button ($14.15)
Hero ($9.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.3, Button raises to $0.8, Hero raises to $2.25, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP folds, Button calls $1.45.

Flop: ($5) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.

Turn: ($6) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1, Hero calls $1.

River: ($8) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ???

If Villain is slowplaying AK/KK/TT I can get his stack but if he's donkplaying QQ/JJ then he won't call a large bet.
If he's slowplaying a big hand he might push over my bet so I'm thinking a smaller bet might be best, so what size would you make the river bet?

BTW, I'm not raising here on the flop or turn b/c I'm way ahead or way behind since I put his range preflop as AK, TT+ and I'm extracting from one hand, getting stacked by two and just folding out two hands I beat (QQ/JJ) by playing strong

chanchuan · #2 03-03-2007, 12:01 PM

I think this is terrible, why would you _not_ bet the flop and not raise the funny minbet? Are you waiting till you hit quads?

Same for turn, I believe you're strongly overanalyzing this, just bet, villain is loose and you're holding AA (!)

avfletch · #3 03-03-2007, 12:02 PM

I'd worry less about what to bet on the river and more about how you got there.

Why did you check/call the flop and turn?

Supwithbates · #4 03-03-2007, 12:12 PM

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I'd worry less about what to bet on the river and more about how you got there.

Why did you check/call the flop and turn?

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check/calling the flop and turn is optimal, read my reasoning.

I have no doubt that my line is flawless for the flop and turn. The pot was 4bet preflop; what exactly does a raise protect my hand from? His range here is TT+, AK.
If he has AK, he's stacked. If he has TT or KK, I'm stacked. If he has JJ or QQ, he's way behind but not calling a raise.
Flop and turn are a classic way ahead/way behind situation that necessitates that I NOT build a big pot.

The only hand that I could possibly protect against is AcKc. Since his range is about 30-40 different hand combos, it's really not worth all the value I lose by fastplaying.

and12006 · #5 03-03-2007, 01:20 PM

But by raising you find out where you stand and won't lose anymore with AA though at 10NL you'll see very werid fishy play so its often to correct to fastplay regardless.

slickss · #6 03-03-2007, 01:28 PM

Drawy board, bet like crazy.

crushednuts · #7 03-03-2007, 01:32 PM

I would raise the flop because you won't fold out a king. I think you want to build a pot with this hand against the hands you are way ahead of. The pot is pretty big on the flop and why let the guy hit a second pair on you if he has KQ or something. What would you do if the river was a queen? Check? Lead for value?

NWCougar · #8 03-03-2007, 01:34 PM

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I have no doubt that my line is flawless for the flop and turn.

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Enjoy a lifetime in the micros. You played this hand terribly

crushednuts · #9 03-03-2007, 01:36 PM

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Enjoy a lifetime in the micros. You played this hand terribly

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No need to flame the guy...Give some advice or save us the trouble of reading your post

avfletch · #10 03-03-2007, 02:09 PM

If your analysis of the rest of the hand is correct (I'm not convinced but fair enough) then I doubt you can do better than shoving this river.