2nd set facing huge overbet 200NL

[WildBobAA]

Calling is standard right...? Just sat down so no reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP ($178.25)
Hero ($200)
SB ($319.20)
BB ($175.20)
UTG ($173)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, SB calls $9, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP folds.

Flop: ($26) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($26) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $22</font>, Hero calls $12.

River: ($70) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $287.2 (All-In)</font>

[quarkncover]

YUCK!

I think this is 98 or a bluff. I'd personally call here, but I wouldn't like it.

*Edit: why didn't you bet the flop?

[WildBobAA]

Yea, I know I should have bet the flop. I was thinking that he wouldn't have called that big of a raise with a hand that gives him a straight draw on that flop, and that a bet on the flop just gets Ks and sets to call and any hand I have beat to fold.

Looking back, I probably should have bet.

[Garon]

Hi Bob,

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a bet on the flop just gets Ks and sets to call and any hand I have beat to fold

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This isn't really correct thinking for the flop. On the flop you should be thinking more along the lines of not giving free cards when you have a hand, and finding out where you stand in the hand.

The turn you think about giving incorrect odds.

The river is where your thinking applies.

Garon

[LuckayLuck]

SB has no hand that beats you that a halfway-reasonable player would have. (Too bad you don't have a read that he's not reasonable, or something)

Call...happily.

[Fallen Hero]

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Call...happily.

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[epdaws]

This is a pretty good time to practice a concept that was kicked around in another forum, and one that might benefit all of us:

Call more big bets on the river and call fewer small bets.

[Garon]

Hi epdaws,

Is the theory behind that, that small bets are more likely to be value bets and big bets are more likely to be bluffs?

Garon

[epdaws]

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Hi epdaws,

Is the theory behind that, that small bets are more likely to be value bets and big bets are more likely to be bluffs?

Garon

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Exactly. I understand that once in a while a massive overbet will be a value bet designed to look like a bluff. But how often do we end up with the nuts or near to it and decide that overbet pushing is going to be reliably paid off? Not often. But pushing a missed draw is not uncommon.

Sklansky has dealt with this concept in recent posts.

I would add that this is often dependent on Villain, as maniacs or downright morons simply don't understand that overbet pushing the nuts on the river is not a good way to get value.

The question is, do we have the stones to make the big calls?

[EMc]

Actually, Mr. Sklansky was arguing that point with the HSNL guys, probably in an attempt to see how they are reacting to his new book.