AA facing river push

lotus guardian · #1 03-02-2007, 08:14 PM

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BB ($84.95)
UTG ($117.20)
MP ($157.05)
Hero ($117.40)
Button ($101.30)
SB ($145.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $4.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($16) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $15, UTG calls $15, Hero raises to $38, SB folds, UTG calls $23.

Turn: ($107) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($107) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG calls $74.20 (All-In), Hero ???

UTG is 45/12/2.5

MatthewRyan · #2 03-02-2007, 08:15 PM

I fold personaly, looks like queen or boat

ajmargarine · #3 03-02-2007, 08:20 PM

I find your flop raise size bemusing.

cs3 · #4 03-02-2007, 08:23 PM

raise more on the flop, (or just call flop/push non Q, non spade turn.) youre raise is way too small.

as played i fold river pretty easily. UTG's 2 coldcalls on flop scream "donk with a monster monster" he doesnt have a busted flush draw often enough to make this a +EV call. and donks usually dont bluff with their entire stack anyway.

edit - villain's cold call twice on flop, not PF

tuds38 · #5 03-02-2007, 08:45 PM

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UTG's 2 coldcalls PF scream "donk with a monster monster" he doesnt have a busted flush draw often enough to make this a +EV call. and donks usually dont bluff with their entire stack anyway.

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If his PF screams monster, doesn't that put hands like KK, JJ, and AK in his range? I do agree that the push is a concern rather than just a bet.

cs3 · #6 03-02-2007, 08:48 PM

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UTG's 2 coldcalls PF scream "donk with a monster monster" he doesnt have a busted flush draw often enough to make this a +EV call. and donks usually dont bluff with their entire stack anyway.

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If his PF screams monster, doesn't that put hands like KK, JJ, and AK in his range? I do agree that the push is a concern rather than just a bet.

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whoops his 2 coldcalls on FLOP, not PF. typo

lotus guardian · #7 03-02-2007, 09:02 PM

I remember my raise on the flop made perfect sense to me at that moment but yeah, I probably should have raised more. I think I didn't put any of them on a great hand so I wanted them to stay, but wouldn't do that if I gave some credit to my opponents.

What if the guy who folded on the flop (tight player) typed "[censored]" on the chat after the Q fell on the turn? Would that change things?

True · #8 03-02-2007, 09:04 PM

I think the raise on the flop is only slightly too small.

For instance, if we make it like 42 - 44, then we have like a 1/2 psb left on the turn.

Remember that we make a [censored] TONNNNNNNNNNNNE by getting Q-x to continue or a hand like 99-TT. By "not charging the draw" we don't in fact lose that much.

TNUC · #9 03-02-2007, 10:26 PM

i pump it up on the flop to 45 minimum , probaly 55 to avoid these situation. also flop is a call with many opponents but with no stats provided i would fold

miw210 · #10 03-02-2007, 10:29 PM

As played, fold river.