Can you get away from this?

AmonRaa · #1 03-02-2007, 01:57 PM

Nl20 on prima
idiot in Mp1 limps in 0.2
I have AA in Mp2 and make it 1$
loose guy in Mp3 makes it 2$ and idiot calls
I believe MP3 has kings and wont fold for a big raise so I make it 10$...he calls

On the flop I see one card i didnt want to see..a King
Flop KT7
Pot is a little over buyin and i have a buyin behind as well as the villain. How is optimal way to play this?

raistlinx · #2 03-02-2007, 02:07 PM

Push pre-flop when it's back to you.

Bianculli · #3 03-02-2007, 02:18 PM

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Push pre-flop when it's back to you.

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As played, check it down and call any bet. If A-K is in his range it is still twice as likely to be his hand than KK. Pushing only gets called by KK, 10-10, or A-K (which will push anyway). You might induce QQ to push or K-K to slowplay. Unlikely to be giving up much by allowing free cards. Most villains would have 4-bet pushed KK.

GiantBuddha · #4 03-02-2007, 02:43 PM

I push here. You didn't give him odds to hit a set. If he has KK, he has KK. He could have AA, KK, AK, or even a smaller pair. Push to avoid the negative freeroll. Especially if he's a station. If he has KK how are you going to get away from this? He could have QQ and you're getting away from the best hand.

whorasaurus · #5 03-02-2007, 03:07 PM

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As played, check it down and call any bet. If A-K is in his range it is still twice as likely to be his hand than KK. Pushing only gets called by KK, 10-10, or A-K (which will push anyway). You might induce QQ to push or K-K to slowplay. Unlikely to be giving up much by allowing free cards. Most villains would have 4-bet pushed KK.

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I like this, and if you had more chips behind, I think this would be correct. But you aren't really deepstacked, which makes this a push. There is no way you are folding, and you can't be scared of one specific hand. Push, worse hands are calling.

GiantBuddha · #6 03-02-2007, 03:11 PM

Yeah, if you were really deep, this would be a tough spot requiring finesse. Your raise size has reduced this situation to short stack poker.
Short stack poker + overpair = all in.

KurtSF · #7 03-02-2007, 03:13 PM

Variance.

Bianculli · #8 03-02-2007, 03:17 PM

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...But you aren't really deepstacked, which makes this a push. There is no way you are folding, and you can't be scared of one specific hand. Push, worse hands are calling.

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After re-evaluating the stack and pot sizes, I agree with this. Pushing does not scare away the worse hands at this point.

AmonRaa · #9 03-02-2007, 03:22 PM

I check raised him all in cause i figured QQ, JJ would fire at this pot if checked to and prolly fold if facing a push.