NL400 TT step by step.

[jetsetboy]

MP1 is 17/4/0.9. A bad tight weak player. He build his roll outdrawing players and making some dumb calls preflop (l/c KQo UTG when a tag raise UTG+1 for example).

UTG is 16/7/1.3. Not really good, loves to open limp/3 bet. A beat weak postflop. We have a lot of history together as we were playing on 5+ tables. He l/rr me a few times and I allaways folded except the last time when he l/rrAI (a lot of dead money in the pot) and I called with KK and hold against his AKs.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($388.47)
BB ($683)
UTG ($969.46)
UTG+1 ($174)
UTG+2 ($458.10)
MP1 ($1046.40)
Hero ($616.80)
MP3 ($366.34)
CO ($227.66)
Button ($365)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $20</font>, Hero ?

[raistlinx]

Seems like an easy fold to me. You know UTG has a history of l/rr and if MP1 has a decent hand you are going to be forced to fold pre-flop having thrown money away.

[Jurrr]

Tough spot here. When you say "loves", what % of time does he 3-bet when he limps? You're all so deep that if you call, UTG raises and MP1 calls then you almost get set odds and you will have position on them all and can play poker.

I call and if UTG reraises big then bye-bye 5BB.

[jetsetboy]

@Juu I said he loved to 3bet not that he was doing it all the time. I didn't have any stat at this point but I've never seen him open raise UTG and UTG+1. He limps about 12% of his hand and go for a rr about 2% of the time. I have only 2000 hands on him so this figures must be taken with some kind of consideration.

@raistlinx: That can not be a fold man, we are too deep and can very well be ahead at this point.

[D.L.M.]

just call and fold to his raise, let him push you around for a while, it will help you analze his game. Then its just a matter of time till you pwnd him for a couple buy ins.

[KurtSF]

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just call and fold to his raise,

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This was my first thought. It also sounded like lighting $20 on fire, so I figured it was a stupid thought.

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let him push you around for a while, it will help you analze his game. Then its just a matter of time till you pwnd him for a couple buy ins.

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This made me feel much better.

[Oxy]

I can't see calling being bad here.

[whorasaurus]

sounds like both players are not that good = dont fold. I lean towards 50-60 here, and I'll bet i get flamed for it. In this situation all i care about is getting HU with MP1, since you classify him as crappy. I think you should risk the possibility of a rr from UTG, for the chance to play a pot in position against a worse player. Your read also states that the only time you looked up the UTG limp/rr he had AKs, which implies he's not FOS when he does this. So make it 50-60, and then you can comfortably fold to a raise from either player.

Oh, and calling maybe encourages UTG to raise/push, while hero's raising puts UTG to the test.

[raistlinx]

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@raistlinx: That can not be a fold man, we are too deep and can very well be ahead at this point.

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Sure it can, you don't know who is behind you waiting to prey on MP1 as well, possibly steaming from a bad beat he laid on them. You know you can't stand a raise calling with TT and yet there is a very good chance someone is going to do that. Given what you said about the table I think we are going to end up folding TT here alot and throwing our money away.

I would have been happy raising it myself hoping UTG l/rr'd me but this is a scary spot to just call and pray he doesn't raise this time.

[futuredoc85]

call