200NL, 99 gets 3bet, ragged flop

[papabigballer]

Villian just sat down, no reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($209.55)
MP ($220)
Hero ($204.70)
SB ($94.60)
BB ($200)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $28</font>, Hero calls $20.

Flop: ($57) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $40</font>, Hero calls $40.

Turn: ($137) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($137) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $132 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $269


I guess i could have just pitched it pre. I think a fold is a little weak on this flop but I don't really know where to go after that. Like the check behind on the turn? I really don't want to commit myself here and get c/r AI. I was looking for a cheap showdown on the river and obv he pushes. Is this fold ok with no reads? Thanks...

[AE6]

standard

[checkraiseTHIS]

Pitching it pre &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; than playing 3-bet hand like this vs. complete unknown, even if you are in position. Probably standard to fold to a 3-bet preflop vs complete unknown with anything but TT+,AK

[LuckyDice]

Fold to 3bet vs unknown. Postflop is good.

[Michaelson]

Don't pitch it pre, you have a very high potential hand, and a hand that stands to be good by itself often enough. Just happens that the board you got was gross.

I call the flop, and probably check that ugly turn as well.

When he moves all in on the river, I actually think the chances you have the best hand go up. That board is scary. In my mind, you're looking at a flush, a six, very occasionally a set, very occasionally an overpair, and quite often whiffed overcards that include a diamopnd, IMO. Preflop action would seem to preclude, or at least make less likely, a lot of the hands that would value bet that river.

I still fold like a girl, though.

[DanJ.]

pitching this pre against an unknown is pretty standard for me...if im calling the first time he has 3bet me, its pretty much for set value only.

[Michaelson]

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pitching this pre against an unknown is pretty standard for me...if im calling the first time he has 3bet me, its pretty much for set value only.

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Well to call it's 10% of effective stacks and hero will be playing in position in a three bet pot. Even if it's just for set value I play this hand. The fact he'll also be ahead a decent amount of time is an added bonus.

[LuckyDice]

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pitching this pre against an unknown is pretty standard for me...if im calling the first time he has 3bet me, its pretty much for set value only.

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Well to call it's 10% of effective stacks and hero will be playing in position in a three bet pot. Even if it's just for set value I play this hand. The fact he'll also be ahead a decent amount of time is an added bonus.

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yes, but we also lose quite a bit on flops like these to higher pairs.

[Michaelson]

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pitching this pre against an unknown is pretty standard for me...if im calling the first time he has 3bet me, its pretty much for set value only.

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Well to call it's 10% of effective stacks and hero will be playing in position in a three bet pot. Even if it's just for set value I play this hand. The fact he'll also be ahead a decent amount of time is an added bonus.

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yes, but we also lose quite a bit on flops like these to higher pairs.

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True, reverse implied odds suck balls.

I still play with position, though, particularly in SSNL where whiffed overs usually will not put you to the test, whereas big pairs will let you know soon enough.

[drewvy]

prob pitch it on the flop against an unknown...22/44/55/TT/JJ/QQ/KK/AA ahead w/ 33/ close and any weird draws or A3 close or killing us...AK/AQ/AJ(maybe) 99/88/77/66...behind...along w/ air