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#1
03-01-2007, 05:23 AM
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$16 - 1st hand : 99
Hi,
PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com UTG (t1500) UTG+1 (t1500) MP1 (t1500) MP2 (t1500) MP3 (t1500) CO (t1500) Button (t1500) Hero (t1500) BB (t1500) Preflop: Hero is in SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="red">UTG raises to t40</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, MP2 calls t40, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, Hero calls t30, BB calls t20 Flop: (t160) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players) Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks Turn: (t160) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players) Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets t80</font>, <font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, MP2 calls t80, Hero calls t80 River: (t400) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players) Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets t160</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, Hero calls t160 1st hand, unknown villains, no reads. Thoughts ? 
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#3
03-01-2007, 05:37 AM
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Re: $16 - 1st hand : 99
it looks like he has an 8. he s betting into 3 people on the turn and 2 on the river so he should have u beat usually i think. probably fold the river.
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#5
03-01-2007, 05:48 AM
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Re: $16 - 1st hand : 99
rex, I hate check/calling here. Leading out is better because you don't let missed overs dictate the betting and dont give them free cards. This is a flop that is very unlikely to hit your opponent's hands, but if you check/call planning to fold to a large turn bet you are basically giving your opponent two free shots to catch up to beat you, and still know nothing about his hand. Utg isn't gonna bluffraise you, especially with someone left to act behind him, so you can be pretty confident you are beat if you get raised.
basically, you are very likely to have the best hand at the moment but your hand is very very vulnerable and you don't particularly want to see the flop check through. Seize the betting impetus here. Leading out into 3 people on a garbage flop says you have something, but your something isn't good enough to go to the felt with, so just try to take the pot down now.
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#6
03-01-2007, 06:20 AM
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Re: $16 - 1st hand : 99
Dan : I disagree.
I can't what's good in leading into 3 players, including a UTG raiser, really. If I'm raised, I will fold the best hand a good % of the time. If I'm called, I will check most turn and fold to turn, so basically I lost more chips, that's all. C/c allow me to keep the pot small and take it a good % of the time. Remember this is the 1st hand of a $16 here, so of the 3 villains, at least one of them will probably do something really stupid (BB in our example)
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#8
03-01-2007, 06:44 AM
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Re: $16 - 1st hand : 99
[ QUOTE ]
If I'm raised, I will fold the best hand a good % of the time. [/ QUOTE ] I totally disagree [ QUOTE ] If I'm called, I will check most turn and fold to turn, so basically I lost more chips, that's all [/ QUOTE ] huh? I thought you were check/calling? My whole point about leading is that it costs the same as calling, and I think that it lessens the oop shortcomings of the hand. You understand that if you check and call, planning on giving up to a turn bet, that it is EXACTLY the same as betting and being called, and giving up to a turn bet, right? The difference is that a) you are giving up on the idea of winning without a showdown, and b) giving free cards to hands that can easily catch up to beat you but would fold now. Letting the player in position dictate the pace of the hand and the amount of money that goes in by randomly check/calling oop is silly. Also, if you were called by one player, and the turn bricked, I would bet for value.
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