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02-26-2007, 11:05 PM
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TPNK OOP vs spaz
Villain probably has nutty stats. 1 hand he min3b an UTG PFR with 22, cbet an ATT flop, checked a 4 turn, then CR'ed a Q river.
Given his min3b range and such, whats our turn line here? Poker Stars No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.50/$1 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $87.55 Hero: $106.10 CO: $125.55 Button: $96 SB: $216.10 BB: $43.25 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $7</font>, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls. Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($22, 3 players) SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $20</font>, SB folds, Hero calls. Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($62, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $37</font> 
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#3
02-26-2007, 11:10 PM
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Re: TPNK OOP vs spaz
This is such a [censored] spot but I think I fold here. based on the previous hand, I kind of expect underpairs to check here. I don't think I can call a bet on a river blank, and I only have 2 outs against a K so I think I fold now instead of the river
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#6
02-26-2007, 11:22 PM
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Re: TPNK OOP vs spaz
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[ QUOTE ] Why didn't you bet the flop? [/ QUOTE ] Why would I bet the flop? Let captain wacky bluff, yes? [/ QUOTE ] I guess ... Or you could bet the flop, find out more about where you are, possibly take it down right there, and possibly get a bluff raise from Captain Wacky. Or check it, call his "bluff", have an overcard fall on the turn, not know where you are, and probably fold a winner. I'm sorry, but when you're a 2p2 nit, you don't make your money by putting yourself in positions where nutbars can easily bet you off your marginal hands.
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#7
02-26-2007, 11:27 PM
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Re: TPNK OOP vs spaz
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why didn't you bet the flop? [/ QUOTE ] Why would I bet the flop? Let captain wacky bluff, yes? [/ QUOTE ] I guess ... Or you could bet the flop, find out more about where you are, possibly take it down right there, and possibly get a bluff raise from Captain Wacky. Or check it, call his "bluff", have an overcard fall on the turn, not know where you are, and probably fold a winner. I'm sorry, but when you're a 2p2 nit, you don't make your money by putting yourself in positions where nutbars can easily bet you off your marginal hands. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not finding out "where im at" by leading flop into an obvious whackjob whose range is massive here. I am letting him fold a lot of marginal hands that would cbet. And the overcard on the turn is obv results oriented IMO.
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#8
02-26-2007, 11:30 PM
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Re: TPNK OOP vs spaz
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why didn't you bet the flop? [/ QUOTE ] Why would I bet the flop? Let captain wacky bluff, yes? [/ QUOTE ] I guess ... Or you could bet the flop, find out more about where you are, possibly take it down right there, and possibly get a bluff raise from Captain Wacky. Or check it, call his "bluff", have an overcard fall on the turn, not know where you are, and probably fold a winner. I'm sorry, but when you're a 2p2 nit, you don't make your money by putting yourself in positions where nutbars can easily bet you off your marginal hands. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not finding out "where im at" by leading flop into an obvious whackjob whose range is massive here. I am letting him fold a lot of marginal hands that would cbet. And the overcard on the turn is obv results oriented IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, call him down, have him show you K2o, and kick yourself for not betting the flop like you should have. Or have the stones to raise the turn. As I said, when you're a nit you can't afford to eff around. You bet when you're likely ahead, and everything goes more smoothly for you. You try to get fancy and let this bozo "bluff" you and suddenly you've spent 75BBs on TPNK and wonder why he's raking a big pot in.
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#9
02-26-2007, 11:35 PM
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Re: TPNK OOP vs spaz
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why didn't you bet the flop? [/ QUOTE ] Why would I bet the flop? Let captain wacky bluff, yes? [/ QUOTE ] I guess ... Or you could bet the flop, find out more about where you are, possibly take it down right there, and possibly get a bluff raise from Captain Wacky. Or check it, call his "bluff", have an overcard fall on the turn, not know where you are, and probably fold a winner. I'm sorry, but when you're a 2p2 nit, you don't make your money by putting yourself in positions where nutbars can easily bet you off your marginal hands. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not finding out "where im at" by leading flop into an obvious whackjob whose range is massive here. I am letting him fold a lot of marginal hands that would cbet. And the overcard on the turn is obv results oriented IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, call him down, have him show you K2o, and kick yourself for not betting the flop like you should have. Or have the stones to raise the turn. As I said, when you're a nit you can't afford to eff around. You bet when you're likely ahead, and everything goes more smoothly for you. You try to get fancy and let this bozo "bluff" you and suddenly you've spent 75BBs on TPNK and wonder why he's raking a big pot in. [/ QUOTE ] Having things go smoothly is not reasoning to bet. Just because c/c flop puts us in a tough turn when an over falls, doesnt mean it maximizes EV. Are you open shoving AA to avoid a "tough spot" on a KQJ flop? What about TT on a T56 2 flush flop? I can also call him down and be shown 34s that would fold to a donk on the flop.
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#10
02-26-2007, 11:44 PM
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Re: TPNK OOP vs spaz
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why didn't you bet the flop? [/ QUOTE ] Why would I bet the flop? Let captain wacky bluff, yes? [/ QUOTE ] I guess ... Or you could bet the flop, find out more about where you are, possibly take it down right there, and possibly get a bluff raise from Captain Wacky. Or check it, call his "bluff", have an overcard fall on the turn, not know where you are, and probably fold a winner. I'm sorry, but when you're a 2p2 nit, you don't make your money by putting yourself in positions where nutbars can easily bet you off your marginal hands. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not finding out "where im at" by leading flop into an obvious whackjob whose range is massive here. I am letting him fold a lot of marginal hands that would cbet. And the overcard on the turn is obv results oriented IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Okay, call him down, have him show you K2o, and kick yourself for not betting the flop like you should have. Or have the stones to raise the turn. As I said, when you're a nit you can't afford to eff around. You bet when you're likely ahead, and everything goes more smoothly for you. You try to get fancy and let this bozo "bluff" you and suddenly you've spent 75BBs on TPNK and wonder why he's raking a big pot in. [/ QUOTE ] Having things go smoothly is not reasoning to bet. Just because c/c flop puts us in a tough turn when an over falls, doesnt mean it maximizes EV. Are you open shoving AA to avoid a "tough spot" on a KQJ flop? What about TT on a T56 2 flush flop? I can also call him down and be shown 34s that would fold to a donk on the flop. [/ QUOTE ] When you make your decisions easier and make your opponents actions more reliable, that is +EV. Having things go smoothly IS absolutely +EV because making good decisions is +EV. You're not going to call him down often enough AND see 34s often enough to make your strategy here a correct one. Just stop dicking around and play tight and aggressive. Nobody is suggesting you shove. Just stop being an overthinking tool and bet your good hands against a bad player. Pretty simple.
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