Common situation against a shortstack

[Zaghomat]

I usually call in this situation because shortstack at this level tend to push if they hit any part of the flop, but I dont know if it's +ev in the long run.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $94.50
Hero: $353.32
Button: $32.90
SB: $65.39
BB: $61.25

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($9.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $28.9</font>, Hero ??

[dchz]

proba a neutral EV play IMO, but calling is good for metagame purposes...

how's your image? i think this is a judgement call

[bruin]

call becuz shortstackeds ARE TEH Gh4y

[dchz]

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call becuz shortstackeds ARE TEH Gh4y

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hey jack, i totally agree,

SS is the ghey,

but do we want to give the gheymoney?

i'd think about it, but prob end up calling anyways

[dchz]

and then end up regreting it so i will promise myself to fold next time

[ManChild]

i can see considering ffolding is the flop is like Q 6 3 rainbow, cuz hes got a Q there a good % of the time, but here the flop is so drawheavy how can you get away from it?

is this bad logic?

[cbboy]

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i can see considering ffolding is the flop is like Q 6 3 rainbow, cuz hes got a Q there a good % of the time, but here the flop is so drawheavy how can you get away from it?

is this bad logic?

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Yes. Being the SS, he could easily have a T or an 8, a PP, a straight draw or a flush draw. In my experience we have the best hand a decent amount of time to make it slightly +EV.

[mikechops]

You really aren't far off having direct odds to call. 4 gutshot outs, spike a J and a backdoor flush. They might not all be clean, but here's what two dimes makes of it.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2469273
pokenum -h jc jh - ad qc -- 8h qh tc
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Tc Qh 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Jc Jh 280 28.28 702 70.91 8 0.81 0.287
Qc Ad 702 70.91 280 28.28 8 0.81 0.713

Your odds are $22 into a $64 pot - ok $61 after the rake. He needs to have top pair virtually always to make caling -EV.

[killphilNI]

A read is helpful but plenty of shorties will shove with any ten or any draw here so calling is good.