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Old 02-20-2007, 10:32 PM
invisibleleadsoup invisibleleadsoup is offline
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Default top pair top kicker on the turn

opponent is 21/16/5,probably views me as a tight agressive multitabler,i don't think i've played any huge pots against him previously or anything.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($2749)
MP ($3180.50)
CO ($2401)
Hero ($2197)
SB ($1980)
BB ($2087)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $70</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $70, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $50.

Flop: ($220) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $160</font>, Hero calls $160, BB folds.

Turn: ($540) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $400</font>, UTG bets $2749 (All-In)
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:44 PM
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Default Re: top pair top kicker on the turn

why would you ever bet the turn if this was a question
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Old 02-21-2007, 12:24 AM
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Default Re: top pair top kicker on the turn

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why would you ever bet the turn if this was a question

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uhh to get value out of a worse hand? were not all mind readers
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Old 02-21-2007, 02:30 AM
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Default Re: top pair top kicker on the turn

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why would you ever bet the turn if this was a question

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uhh to get value out of a worse hand? were not all mind readers

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ummm if you're betting this turn, you better have a plan when he pushes.

Otherwise check behind and call/valuebet most rivers.
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Old 02-21-2007, 08:34 AM
invisibleleadsoup invisibleleadsoup is offline
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Default Re: top pair top kicker on the turn

i bet the turn because there are a lot of hands he could have that are worse than mine but will check call the turn.

when he pushed,i had a lot more information to work with than when i bet,the question is how should i use this information.
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Old 02-21-2007, 08:37 AM
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Default Re: top pair top kicker on the turn

unless there is a lot of history or you are a known floater i turbomuck this. he might be semibluffing a good draw but i think he has you crushed a lot.
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Old 02-21-2007, 10:21 AM
igetbadbeat igetbadbeat is offline
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Default Re: top pair top kicker on the turn

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unless there is a lot of history or you are a known floater i turbomuck this. he might be semibluffing a good draw but i think he has you crushed a lot.

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LoL what could he have that you are really ahead of? I think if you're lookin to shove you should be thinkin of what he's willing to fold. And seems to me he'll fold nothing to you.
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Old 02-21-2007, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: top pair top kicker on the turn

invisibleleadsoup,

with those stack sizes, a checkraise allin on the turn is so likely (more likely from an aggro UTG raiser than a check/call) that your decision has to be made on the turn. once you decide to bet the turn and he raises allin, you should be snap-calling or snap-folding (obv player-dependent). against almost all players i am not bet/folding.
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Old 02-21-2007, 09:18 PM
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Default Re: top pair top kicker on the turn

lol, u got stack-a-donked.
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Old 02-22-2007, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: top pair top kicker on the turn

Easy fold to his turned 2Pair! ! !! ! !
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