2pair multiway 100nl

josh_x · #1 02-20-2007, 08:35 AM

NL100 on party

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($77.16)
Hero ($106.10)
UTG ($109.20)
MP ($301.58)
CO ($87)
Button ($146.31)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP calls $1, CO raises to $3, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $2.50, Hero calls $2, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($12) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, MP folds, CO raises to $16, SB folds, Hero raises to $36, CO calls $20.

Turn: ($84) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Hero bets $50, putting CO AI

Is this ok? Villain's stats suggest he is an overly tight tag, he was something like 15/8/4 or something. I realise my line looks very nutty but basically i don't care because he isn't folding AK/AQ and i just wanna make sure it gets all in.

The results might be good for the discussion. He folded.

Nick Royale · #2 02-20-2007, 09:10 AM

[ QUOTE ]
The results might be good for the discussion.

[/ QUOTE ]
No it's not.

I think this is fine, kinda depending on what level you think he thinks. Will a flop push make him think you're on a draw? Will a small re-raise on the flop make him put you on a big hand?

Will he check behind often on the turn? If not I think stack-a-donk is nice here. I think calling and donking 2/3 on the turn is fine as well.

moving shapes · #3 02-20-2007, 09:11 AM

Raise more on flop if you want to get most out of AK, AQ.

He'll also be more more likely to call your turn bet since it will cost him less and there will be more money in the pot.

Reraise to $44 or something on flop?

dregal · #4 02-20-2007, 09:35 AM

Don't like the weakish flop lead...OOP on a drawy board in a multywai pot = PSB.

I think your smallish 4 bet is terrible. You are giving him a good price to draw and at the same time pricing yourself in should he hit. I just shove the flop when he raises - its only a slight overbet and he isnt folding a good A.

luckybacon · #5 02-20-2007, 09:38 AM

i dont mind the weakish lead if ur obv setting up for 3betting which you did here. seems pretty standard maybe 3bet more on the flop though

ikestoys · #6 02-20-2007, 01:06 PM

1.) fold preflop
[ QUOTE ]
I think your smallish 4 bet is terrible. You are giving him a good price to draw and at the same time pricing yourself in should he hit. I just shove the flop when he raises - its only a slight overbet and he isnt folding a good A.

[/ QUOTE ]

You see a draw here about never. Don't worry about it. The weak 4-bet gets the villain to call with that ace and price himself in for a call on the turn

the machine · #7 02-20-2007, 01:56 PM

flop 4 bet is pretty terrible. gave him like 3.2:1 on a call. if i reraise here im likely betting enough so that if he calls hes priced in which effectively is an all in.

make it about 50-60$

Nick Royale · #8 02-20-2007, 02:27 PM

[ QUOTE ]
flop 4 bet is pretty terrible. gave him like 3.2:1 on a call.

[/ QUOTE ]
So what? A fd is a small part of his range, a pair of aces with 3 outs is a much bigger part and he's not getting close to the odds he need with that. The important factor in this hand is to keep him in the hand drawing to 3 outs, that will impact the EV much greater than offering him 3:1 when he actually has a fd.

the machine · #9 02-20-2007, 02:34 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
flop 4 bet is pretty terrible. gave him like 3.2:1 on a call.

[/ QUOTE ]
So what? A fd is a small part of his range, a pair of aces with 6 outs is a much bigger part and 9 outs after a non 2 turn

[/ QUOTE ]

AKo vs A3h 28.18:69.39 with 2.42 tie

im charging more then 3.2:1 if its possible im only a 7:3 favorite

Nick Royale · #10 02-20-2007, 02:47 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
flop 4 bet is pretty terrible. gave him like 3.2:1 on a call.

[/ QUOTE ]
So what? A fd is a small part of his range, a pair of aces with 6 outs is a much bigger part and 9 outs after a non 2 turn

[/ QUOTE ]

AKo vs A3h 28.18:69.39 with 2.42 tie

im charging more then 3.2:1 if its possible im only a 7:3 favorite

[/ QUOTE ]
You can't sim this. He's only paying for 1 card, if he's going to see 2 he need to pay with his whole stack just as he has to do when you push the flop. I'm a retard for not adding 3 outs for the counter feiting 4s, but 6 outs still isn't close to being capable of calling getting 3:1 even with implied odds.

You have a point though and I'm not saying raising to $36 is optimal.