1 card straight river raise sex? So wrong that its right?

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #1 02-19-2007, 01:22 AM

Just thought i would share a higher stakes hand.... I found this interesting.

10/20 live.
Hero has T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in MP2.

Preflop:
UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, I limp, CO raises, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 3bets, I cap, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop (6 players, 25SB): J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

All check to CO who bets, button folds, all others call.

Turn (5 players, 15BB): 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

All check to CO who bets, all call.

River (5 players, 20BB): 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks, UTG thinks for a while, playing with chips, UTG+1 donks, I raise with the aim of pushing UTG off his 1 card straight and splitting the pot 2 way with UTG+1. (There is zero chance that CO is calling even for 1, there is a low chance that SB calls with a set maybe?)

Hand Ranges and Reads:

SB - Slightly loose and passive. Likely has flush draw.

UTG - Almost certainly has Tx, but is weak/tight. We know each others games well and he knows i am a good thinking player.

UTG+1 - 99%+ chance of having Tx, probably LRR with a hand like T8-Qs.

CO - Has AA/KK/JJ. Knows that UTG+1 has Tx 100% and will definitely fold regardless of what I do.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #2 02-19-2007, 01:23 AM

The reason that I think this play is correct is that UTG knows that I wont raise the 1 card straight because its so obvious that UTG+1 also has it.... Therefore with a 1 card straight I would just call and go for overcalls. The only hand I can feasibly raise on the river is TQ

bennyhana · #3 02-19-2007, 01:34 AM

preflop???

wtf??? that is [censored] ugly.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #4 02-19-2007, 01:42 AM

meh... ignore preflop. interested in river play

bennyhana · #5 02-19-2007, 01:47 AM

I'm not a fan of raising with a non nut hand to try and earn 1/6 of the pot, but i wouldn't be in the hand to begin with.

you must have some awesome reads.

kerowo · #6 02-19-2007, 01:51 AM

Meh. This is the micros, the majority of the lurkers are just starting out, trying to figure out basic stuff. They see someone with a bajillion posts playing hands like this for more than their bankroll and think it's right to limp that crap.

How many rounds of "I know he knows I know he knows" do you want to play? You'd hate to get 3-bet on this river by someone thinking the only thing that could 3-bet is TQ.

Aaron W. · #7 02-19-2007, 02:03 AM

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10/20 live.
Hero has T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in MP2.

Preflop:
UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, I limp, CO raises, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 3bets, I cap, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

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The limp-cap is hilarious.

The river play is meh. I don't know if it works all that often, but the pot is big enough that you might squeeze out an extra bit of the pot to make up for your crappy preflop play.

ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S · #8 02-19-2007, 02:06 AM

i dont think preflop is that bad.

there is literally 100% chance that CO is capping... as in he played out of turn and went to cap before i even got there... i have decent equity 6 way and a bloated pot favours my hand

Aaron W. · #9 02-19-2007, 02:36 AM

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i dont think preflop is that bad.

there is literally 100% chance that CO is capping... as in he played out of turn and went to cap before i even got there... i have decent equity 6 way and a bloated pot favours my hand

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You base this on what?

Preflop is pretty bad. Even if you're only 90% sure it's getting capped, it's better to get away with the discount that 10% of the time than put in extra money all the time with weak offsuit connected cards.

You might even consider mucking (gasp!).

BigBadBabar · #10 02-19-2007, 02:42 AM

i don't like pf; i like the river okay. although if we overcall probably the other guy overcalls w/o a straight? raising seems like it will fold any non-straight hands, a 1card straight will call us, and a higher straight (unlikely obv) will 3bet us. overcalling might be more +ev?

i don't think there's any chance a 1 card straight is folding this river ever, frankly.