I have been told I am too tight preflop (my pf standards)

[winkydinky85]

Okay guys I have been told I am too tight preflop and am missing out on some valuable hands and I beg to differ. So you guys will be the deciding factor for me.

Against no raise

EP:
Raise:99+, AK, AQ, AJs, KQs,
Call:88,77, AJ, ATs, KQ, KJs

MP:
Raise:77+, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ,
Call:66, A7s+, KTs, QJs, JTs, QTs, 9Ts

LP:
Raise: any thing I enter pot with, pretty much any hand listed here

Against an Early Position Raise:
EP:
Raise:AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK,
Call: AQs

MP: Raise: AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK, AQs
Call: nothing

LP: Raise: AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, AK, AQs
Call: KQs,

Facing a middle position raise:
MP:
Raise:AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, AK, AQ, AJs,
Call: KQs, 88,

LP:
Raise: AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJs, KQs
Call: KJs,

Facing a Late Position Raise
LP:
Raise: Any Pair, AK, AQ, AJ, ATs, KQ, KJs,
Call: Nothing

So that is all I have there for now. I did not post it based on a lot of callers just based on opening a pot and a raise in front of me. I did not post blinds either because I want to make this post short and blinds will be in another post. Sorry if this is long and hard to read I just want to see whether I need to open things up more preflop. I looked at the SSHE tight table hand chart and noticed there were some hands I would not limp in with there in LP but maybe that is a small leak I need to fix. Thanks again guys.

P.S. If you guys would like would you post yours so I can see where I am at compared to you guys.

[OrigamiSensei]

Wink - one more time. Do some reviews!

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing terrible about having set starting hand charts. I did it for some time myself at .01/.02 and .05/.10. However, given how the nature of the games has been changing since the UIGEA there's a real need to become more savvy and situational with pre-flop play. I can't tell you what I raise, limp or fold with because it's so dependent on the players involved, the texture of the table and my own image at the time.

Also, the longer you play the more you find out that money is made and lost post-flop.

[Str8Fish]

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EP:
Raise:99+, AK, AQ, AJs, KQs,
Call:88,77, AJ, ATs, KQ, KJs

MP:
Raise:77+, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ,
Call:66, A7s+, KTs, QJs, JTs, QTs, 9Ts


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I raise all the ones you say you call here.

[Bona]

I don't know that it is too tight but it seems like it might be too rigid. Certainly we need standards but they need to flex by table conditions and specifically by player tendencies as well as position. For example in the situation that most hands will have several callers but will usually not get raised (not too common anymore I know) I am pretty flexible about playing some suited connecters in early and middle. Not real low ones but maybe 89s+. And even Axs if it probably won't cost much.

On the other hand at loose but real aggro table I discount PP like 88 and 99 a lot. even TT and JJ are suspect and vulnerable to several players and overcards. So I'm not raising those early a lot into a table full of LAGs.

If I can get 'er done (and thats the problem!) I like to play strong drawing hands in multiway pots and strong high card hands in HU pots. If you think of it like that it is difficult to carve a starting hands chart in stone. Overall though I am probably as tight as you are. VP$IP 18% in FR.

I think a lot of better players than me do play much looser in position though, so keep looking for the answers.

[Zeldark]

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I did not post blinds either because I want to make this post short

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The more you play, the less short your Preflop considerations should be. Adjusting properly to each situation would produce a very long post for Pre-flop standards indeed.

[Aaron W.]

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EP:
Raise:99+, AK, AQ, AJs, KQs,
Call:88,77, AJ, ATs, KQ, KJs

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PFR = 76/1326 = 5.7%
VPIP = 120/1326 = 9.0%


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MP:
Raise:77+, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ,
Call:66, A7s+, KTs, QJs, JTs, QTs, 9Ts

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PFR = 144/1326 = 10.9%
VPIP = 182/1326 = 13.7%

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LP:
Raise: any thing I enter pot with, pretty much any hand listed here

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PFR = 144/1326 = 10.9%
VPIP = 182/1326 = 13.7%

Yup... too tight.

Back when US players could play at PartyPoker, here were my stats (4-tabling):

Seats off Button/VPIP/PFR
7/14.5/7.75
6/16.01/8.84
5/17.08/9.92
4/17.23/12.23
3/16.59/11.15
2/19.57/14.70
1/21.49/14.98
0/21.55/13.71

Your late position play is tighter than my early position play.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

you are way too tight....

this is a terrible way to think about preflop play too, look at the situation not just your own cards

[winkydinky85]

This does not mean I go exactly by this chart by any means. Also keep in mind that after some limpers that my standards widen greatly. This is only facing a raise and with no one entering the pot. This also does not include the BB and SB stats. I raise a ton from the button or cutoff but will not limp in with Q8s like the SSHE tight table chart says to. I will raise with it if I enter the pot with it.

My post may be a bit confusing especially with my LP post. I normally raise or fold in late position. This was what I was using when I played at UB (that is the only time I calculated stats). My total flops seen percentage at Bodog was about 23%, at Full Tilt and Pokerstars it is about 18%.

So my VPIP at those sites is significantly higher but I have not calculated. I played one table on Full Tilt recently where over 200 hands I raised preflop 41 times. So that is a 20% VPIP right there and that does not count hands I limped with either.

Aaron also your analysis of my late position stats are a little off. Because my VPIP should be identical to my PFR percentage. Also I raise any of those hands listed suited or not so that changes things. I also raise any ace suited or not from the cutoff or button. So I may have made this post tough to analyze so sorry for that.

So you guys think I should be open raising with AJo, KQo, and KJs in early position? Also you guys think I should raise with 88 or 77 in EP? Also I should raise with QTs in middle position or 9Ts as well in middle position. Again is this me being too tight or is the above poster a little more LAG than most? Thanks again for your time.

[Zeldark]

I admit that polishing my preflop play to include a few extra hands is something I should also work on, but...

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Because my VPIP should be identical to my PFR percentage.

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Since when?!

[seano34]

Winkydink -

Why do you bother posting threads like this? You ask for advice/help then you get guys like Sr8, Aaron and eskimo giving you advice only for you to immediately go on the defensive