i forgot how to play full ring....

FilthyLarry · #1 02-14-2007, 04:09 PM

i randomly decided to play some full ring instead of my usual 6max, and after putting in probably over 1K hands at the 1/2 NL, i feel like im not playing optimally for FR. i think i was still in '6max mode' somewhat. heres some hands where im not sure if i should be doing something different. any advice would be appreciated

obv the first hand is kind of funny, but i was wondering if i should be reraising with AQo. i mean, im think it's correct and im just looking for confirmation from the experts.

and i guess i shouldnt be folding KK pre (right?) but in hand #2 it seems so obvious he has aces but i just grit my teeth and shove. should i be able to get away from something like this in FR?

both JJ hands are probably spew, but i wasnt sure b/c in one of the hands hes a shortstack, and in the other i felt i had the higher PP. i dont know, what do you guys think?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB ($96)
UTG ($152.25)
UTG+1 ($58.40)
MP1 ($207.45)
MP2 ($193.35)
MP3 ($403.95)
Hero ($223.10)
Button ($359.25)
SB ($110.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, MP1 calls $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $20, 3 folds, UTG calls $16, MP1 calls $16.

Flop: ($63) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $50, UTG calls $50, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($163) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $111, UTG calls $82.25 (All-In).

River: ($356.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $356.25

Results in white below: 
UTG has Js Tc (one pair, fives).
Hero has Ad Qh (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $356.25. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG ($162.10)
UTG+1 ($192.60)
MP1 ($123.65)
MP2 ($201)
MP3 ($503.90)
CO ($167.80)
Button ($155.55)
SB ($160.45)
Hero ($237.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, 5 folds, Button raises to $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $30, UTG raises to $100, Button folds, Hero raises to $237.65, UTG calls $62.10 (All-In).

Flop: ($408.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($408.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($408.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $408.75

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Kd (two pair, kings and jacks).
UTG has Ad Ac (two pair, aces and jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins $333.20. Hero wins $75.55. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB ($107)
UTG ($153.75)
UTG+1 ($213)
MP1 ($134)
MP2 ($243.45)
MP3 ($191)
CO ($227.40)
Button ($73)
Hero ($232.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
7 folds, Hero raises to $8, BB raises to $14, Hero raises to $44, BB raises to $107, Hero calls $63.

Flop: ($214) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: ($214) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($214) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $214

Results in white below: 
Hero has Js Jd (two pair, jacks and sevens).
BB has Qd Qh (two pair, queens and sevens).
Outcome: BB wins $214. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP1 ($393.45)
MP2 ($222.15)
CO ($76.80)
Button ($203.90)
SB ($187.60)
BB ($277.50)
Hero ($169)
UTG+1 ($463.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $8, UTG+1 calls $8, 4 folds, SB calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($32) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $20, BB folds, Hero raises to $95, UTG+1 folds, SB raises to $179.6, Hero calls $66 (All-In).

Turn: ($372.60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($372.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $372.60

Results in white below: 
SB has 7c 8c (full house, sevens full of fives).
Hero has Jh Jc (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Outcome: SB wins $372.60.

FilthyLarry · #2 02-14-2007, 04:11 PM

what if in hand #2, UTG had a full 100bb stack? what if we were both 200bb?

kurto · #3 02-14-2007, 05:04 PM

hand 1- wow... that other guy's play is terrible. If you knew he was raising junk like that, then a reraise is probably fine. Normally I don't reraise an UTG raiser with AQ because of the Gap concept. He's likely ahead of me.

Hand 2- You can't fold. Proof of that... see hand 3.

Hand 3- Wow... I player lower ($50 tables), but I don't see many people reraising you with hands that Jacks are ahead of. Is this a bluff?

I think both jacks hands are kind of spewage.

NL__Fool · #4 02-14-2007, 05:09 PM

Hand 1- I fold AQ to an UTG raise every time unless villain was a 50/25 type player

Hand 2- Standard nothing you can do

Hand 3- I fold to his all in, he has you beat here

Hand 4- I fold to the 3 bet all in

FilthyLarry · #5 02-14-2007, 05:12 PM

fold to a minraise? assuming no reads

for hand 1 i mean

NL__Fool · #6 02-14-2007, 05:13 PM

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what if in hand #2, UTG had a full 100bb stack? what if we were both 200bb?

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200 BB deep I might lay down KK pf especially after the limp RR after it has been raised then 3 bet. 100 BB stacks I still lose my stack here I'm not good enough to lay down KK here just yet. QQ I can lay down every time for 100 BB stacks

Mr_Donktastic · #7 02-14-2007, 05:19 PM

These hands are all pretty tough.

Just remember that there is MUCH less posturing in FR. Once people start reraising you, you better have the nuts.

Hand 2 is just sucky. I've never folded KK pre either, but limp/4bet has to be AA 100% of the time. What are you gonna do though?

Hand 3: Generally don't 4bet JJ pre. This was blind battle but still. And never call a 5bet with anything but KK or AA - probably just AA even.

Hand 4: I wouldn't have raised the flop so much. In fact I may have falt called. As played you have so much $ in you have to call the push.

D.L.M. · #8 02-14-2007, 05:22 PM

find more reasons to check and to fold! then you are set.

FilthyLarry · #9 02-14-2007, 05:23 PM

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Just remember that there is MUCH less posturing in FR. Once people start reraising you, you better have the nuts.

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yeah i definitely need to follow this advice

amfox · #10 02-14-2007, 07:07 PM

Hand 1- I thought you played this fine. I might call PF, depending on reads, but his flat call should tell you that you are tied or ahead on the flop. If he 4-bets you PF, you can safely release the hand.

Hand 2- By the 5th raise, you know he has AA but I likely go all-in anyway, just like you did. If villain was deeper-stacked, I'd simply call the 5-bet.

Hand 3- I fold to the all in - JJ not strong enough without a read

Hand 4- I fold to the all in - JJ not strong enough without a read