AA95 hand vs LAG

joewatch · #1 02-10-2006, 03:17 AM

Interesting situation on the turn. Your play?

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BB ($156.40)
Hero ($260)
UTG+1 ($449.20)
MP1 ($188.95)
MP2 ($102)
MP3 ($177.30)
CO ($213.25)
Button ($172)
SB = LAG ($515.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $6, UTG+1 calls $6, MP1 calls $6, MP2 raises to $33, 3 folds, SB calls $32, 1 fold, Hero calls $27, UTG+1 calls $27, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($140) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: ($140) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $60, Hero ???

iron81 · #2 02-10-2006, 03:35 AM

Okay guys, I got this one.

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Interesting situation on the turn. Your play?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $2 BB (9 handed) converter

BB ($156.40)
Hero ($260)
UTG+1 ($449.20)
MP1 ($188.95)
MP2 ($102)
MP3 ($177.30)
CO ($213.25)
Button ($172)
SB = LAG ($515.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $6, UTG+1 calls $6, MP1 calls $6, MP2 raises to $33, 3 folds, SB calls $32, 1 fold, Hero calls $27, UTG+1 calls $27, MP1 folds.

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I was about to flame you for marking yourself with aces, but then I saw that you didn't put in the reraise to $32. But what you can do is reraise MP2. MP2 doesn't necessarily have aces (if he's good he probably doesn't), so why not reraise him? You can get it up to about $150, which is almost 2/3rds of your stack. I'm not too crazy about the initial raise preflop (UTG with a marginal hand).

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Flop: ($140) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks.

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I don't mind a semibluff here, but a check is fine, since the board is scary. If a straight were not as probable, you jam here.

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Turn: ($140) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $60, Hero ???

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Folds. Of course, you don't like the turn. You don't know what the people behind you have (I can easily see them checking with a set or 2 pair hoping it holds up) and you might only have 2 outs.

BluffTHIS! · #3 02-10-2006, 04:25 AM

For the reasons Iron gave, you should have reraised preflop. On the turn as played, the SB either is full, or was trying to checkraise the flop with a straight and didn't get the chance, or has only a 9 and some kind of draw. If you think there is a strong likelihood of the latter 2, then you should raise allin to try to get a straight to fold, still having outs if he won't fold that hand or a 9 without being full (in which case you are currently ahead). Only if you think he would never bet unless full with 2 players yet to act should you fold. The biggest risk to raising though is that the other guy still has to act and that card may have made him.

iron81 · #4 02-10-2006, 06:24 AM

The problem with semibluffing now is that A. hero could be nearly dead and B. OP said the villain was LAG, not TAG. If villain really is a LAG and flopped a straight or turned trips, there's a very good chance he's gonna call. Hero would need more behind to scare off a hand like that.

wheatrich · #5 02-10-2006, 11:31 AM

1) You can commit yourself preflop so do it.
2) This is one of the best possible flops for that hand--in this spot I would think betting is the best play. There's 100 in the pot and you have 230 left behind. Maybe a set might even fold (doubt it though). If you were going to call a flop bet than you should have just done it yourself.
3) fold the turn--boat made it.

SprattFactor · #6 02-10-2006, 12:13 PM

Is there no one just calling here and taking 5th street?

It's only 60 into a 140 and you will have position on the SB if it's you two heads up on the river.

If SB is LAG, he could've missed the flop check-raise with 78 and is now stabbing at it after missing, or he could be thinking KK (or even AA is possible) is good.

I'd probably call here and hope to showdown cheaply on the river whatever comes. Calling here and folding to a bigger bet on the river might become of this, but so be it.

Interesting spot.

BluffTHIS! · #7 02-10-2006, 01:56 PM

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The problem with semibluffing now is that A. hero could be nearly dead and B. OP said the villain was LAG, not TAG. If villain really is a LAG and flopped a straight or turned trips, there's a very good chance he's gonna call. Hero would need more behind to scare off a hand like that.

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But since he is a LAG he is equally likely to only have a 9 or a gutshot. That possibility that hero is actually ahead is what tips the balance, along with the fact that hero cannot be drawing dead even if slim.

joewatch · #8 02-10-2006, 02:01 PM

Although I understand the reasoning for a reraise here, I didn't because my side cards were junky. The SB is LAG enough that he would call the reraise. Also, I have position on him, so why not use it to outplay him postflop?

The turn bet smelled weak to me. I put him on either T9xx, 96xx, or trip 9's with K or Q high. Also, 87xx was a possibility. I doubted TTxx, because he would normally pot or CR the top boat. So I thought this was a good time to use my tight image with an all-in raise.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $2 BB (9 handed) converter

BB ($156.40)
Hero ($260)
UTG+1 ($449.20)
MP1 ($188.95)
MP2 ($102)
MP3 ($177.30)
CO ($213.25)
Button ($172)
SB ($515.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $6, UTG+1 calls $6, MP1 calls $6, MP2 raises to $33, 3 folds, SB calls $32, 1 fold, Hero calls $27, UTG+1 calls $27, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($140) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: ($140) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $60, Hero raises to $227, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, SB (after a long pause) calls $167.

River: ($594) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $594

Results in white below: 
SB has Kc Kh 4s Td (two pair, kings and nines).

Outcome: Hero wins $594. 

Beats the hell out of me. Villain promptly tilted off the rest of his money on the next round.

BluffTHIS! · #9 02-10-2006, 02:15 PM

Good job joe. That's why I said you have to raise against a LAG here because you might actually be ahead and can't be drawing dead if you're not. If you let the LAG dictate the action and force you to make the nuts or fold, he will run over you. Despite the fact I play tighter than most, I am willing to stack LAGs with less than the nuts when I have outs, although the results are sometimes ugly when a very weak hand they hold sucks out.

Chimichonga · #10 02-10-2006, 03:16 PM

I love that half the hands you put him on had you drawing to 2 outs.

I kind of think that a turn push is pretty standard here facing a LAG in a raised pot. Yes, there are 2 behind, but 6-6 is unlikely and 10-10 is going to bet this flop a fair amount of the time in late position. 10-9 is certainly possible, but worth the risk given that we have 3 nut outs regardless and potentially a lot more against the type of opponent leading into us. This coupled with the fact that we may be ahead a fair amount of time, makes it standard barring some miracle read.

On a side note: I always thought LAG stood for Loose, Aggressive, Good. If so, this guy forgot the Good part.

nh.