2/4 pf cold 4bet shove

[SukitTrebek]

second orbit at the table, no history with either villain.

utg +1 is 20/10
co is 17/9


Full Tilt Poker
$2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
9 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
SB: $394
BB: $282.4
UTG: $805.70
UTG+1: $400
MP1: $394
MP2: $400
Hero (MP3): $465
CO: $392.40
BTN: $513

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6, 9 players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to $14</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $46</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all in to $392.40</font>, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, hero?


i've heard people say that this line is trying to represent AK, but do tags really do this with AK? do any non-retarded opponents in non-steal situations do this with less than AA (or at the least KK+)?

standard call, tough fold, or easy fold?

also, from villain's perspective, is this the best way to play AA? granted when you call the 3bet cold or make a small 4bet, it will mostly give away your hand. but the push seems destined to only get called by KK.

[citanul]

what are your stats, which would be more important for us to know than utg+1s.

if the dude is 17/9 i probably fold because wtf, 9?!?! but no i kid, i'm nowhere near good enough to fold KK ever so i call and go "AK!!!" but then lose to AA.

[SukitTrebek]

i'm 19/10, but this would only be from datamining since i just sat down. (also these are full ring stats not 6max.)

[2Paul2]

I would fold this at fr.

Paul

[ActionFreak]

I fold here unless I have more to go on. I am only going by the way things played at 5/10 FR on Party though. I haven't played this specific game.

[SukitTrebek]

bump

[rvg72]

If you put CO on KK,AA,AK then you are slightly +ev even with only 8 combo's of AK. But... I think you have to discount AK a little for CO but maybe add in a few QQ possibilities to even it out especially if you are 3 betting light.

Realistically it is probably neutral to slightly negative EV but I'm not folding KK.

Edit: I don't play FR so have no idea if QQ or AK is even possible here from a TAG.

rvg