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$1/2 game with $300 buyins. I have about that and Villain has me covered. Villain seems like a reasonable player but is relatively loose in calling raises preflop. I have seen him play a nut flush slowly OOP, flat calling the darw, check calling turn when it hit, and leading the river.
UTG makes is $12, Villain Calls, one more call, I make it $55 total with two red aces. UTG calls (announcing its his last hand, villain calls). I have not been raising a lot of hands and not shown down any bluffs...made one or 2 continuations and gave up...only been there about an hour. Flop is T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] with 2 diamonds (I have the ace of diamonds)... I bet $100. UTG folds, villain thinks, says "i have a lot of outs" and calls. Turn 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I have about $150-160 left. Hero? |
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ez push
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The only move is to push.
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The only move is to push. [/ QUOTE ] So, I am putting in $55 at the beginning knowing that, unless i get real resistance from 2 players or an incredibly coordinated board that I am putting all my money in this pot no matter what? What I am struggling with is that it feels like it makes his call of my $55 close to correct. Should I raise more if this is the case? I am bothered by this hand because, along the lines of these reponses, I felt like there was no way to get away if I was beat. |
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What do you think his range is after flat calling the $55? I think we are going to get called by KK, QQ and maybe even JJ if you think he is loose enough.
He can't profitably set mine here so I think we need to discount 88 and 66 here, not to mention discount any hand other than 1010 with a 10 in it. Basically, there isn't much that he has here that beats you, so the question shouldn't be, "how do I get away if I'm beat?" It should be "How do I extract the most value from this fool?" With the diamond draw out there I think push. |
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You'll also win the pot a lot uncontested, which is one benefit of betting out. The pot is about $350--if you check you'll either be faced with a 2.3:1 odds all in call or you'll give him a free card. Gotta charge him. You probably had the best hand on the flop, and you probably still do.
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[ QUOTE ] The only move is to push. [/ QUOTE ] So, I am putting in $55 at the beginning knowing that, unless i get real resistance from 2 players or an incredibly coordinated board that I am putting all my money in this pot no matter what? What I am struggling with is that it feels like it makes his call of my $55 close to correct. Should I raise more if this is the case? I am bothered by this hand because, along the lines of these reponses, I felt like there was no way to get away if I was beat. [/ QUOTE ] It could be correct for him to call and try and crack your AA there (although I don't think so given the size of the 3bet and your stacks), but what's important is he is making a mistake against your range by calling here, as you should be raising with AK and other hands that he can't play profitably playing fit-or-fold postflop. You can't just start putting 20% of your stack in by default every time you have a big pair so as to cut down implied odds, you just have to have a sufficiently wide 3betting range there. |
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What do you think his range is after flat calling the $55? I think we are going to get called by KK, QQ and maybe even JJ if you think he is loose enough. He can't profitably set mine here so I think we need to discount 88 and 66 here, not to mention discount any hand other than 1010 with a 10 in it. Basically, there isn't much that he has here that beats you, so the question shouldn't be, "how do I get away if I'm beat?" It should be "How do I extract the most value from this fool?" With the diamond draw out there I think push. [/ QUOTE ] I think this player was capable of a significantly broader range of hands than the one you cite. FWIW, i was not worried about 88. I was worried about a ten. |
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What did you make of his "outs" comment on the flop? Perhaps he was trying to create a situation where he could push you off the hand if a diamond turned? Perhaps he was just baiting you to "charge him" on the turn? I'm curious what you think there...
79 is a longshot given preflop, so that turn is basically a brick. I don't know what else you'd do besides push here. Tough to fold a blank river getting 2:1 from the pot here, and if you're going to call it off might as well charge on the turn if there's a chance he's drawing. If it's unlikely this guy is calling such a huge flop but on just a draw, I don't mind a check behind here to try to get the most money possible from pairs - as I'm not too worried about letting someone 2-out me. Edit: Live play, what a bunch of garbage it can be sometimes. I frankly wouldn't be surprised if the guy had 79 diamonds (despite preflop) and was just telling the truth when he said he had a lot of outs, and then he spiked the sneaky 6 in your mug. You may want to post in the B&M forum as well if you haven't already - just since the game you're talking about is a far cry from Stars 200NL 6-max everyone here plays IMO. |
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What did you make of his "outs" comment on the flop? Perhaps he was trying to create a situation where he could push you off the hand if a diamond turned? Perhaps he was just baiting you to "charge him" on the turn? I'm curious what you think there... 79 is a longshot given preflop, so that turn is basically a brick. I don't know what else you'd do besides push here. Tough to fold a blank river getting 2:1 from the pot here, and if you're going to call it off might as well charge on the turn if there's a chance he's drawing. If it's unlikely this guy is calling such a huge flop but on just a draw, I don't mind a check behind here to try to get the most money possible from pairs - as I'm not too worried about letting someone 2-out me. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe I did not think enough about it. In retrospect, I know exactly what he was doing. He had QT of spades. I don't get mad when people make these calls. I am just trying to figure out if I have to go broke on this hand after he calls the flop. I really didnt put him on QQ, KK (maybe JJ). I thought it was a draw or a weirdo ten. I guess the chances of the draw mean I have to commit to the pot no matter what. I have to say, though, that I thought i was beat when he called the flop. What if there were no diamond draw? I considered the 6 a blank, BTW. I actually thought he was likely to have a ten after flat calling the flop. Given stack and pot sizes, I think he would have pushed the flop with a diamond draw. Also, fact I have ace of diamonds lessened the chance of that draw in my mind. I agree with your final point...if I am going to call it off I have to bet...and can I really fold here>? |
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