River bump

3rdCheckRaise · #1 02-10-2007, 03:41 PM

Great 40 game at the Borgata. MP1 and MP2 both winning players but both like to play a lot of hands and hate folding. CO is a tight and solid 2+2er who is a bit passive (according to me anyway). 6 limps to a button who raises, I call out of BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q. [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 to the flop.
Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and it’s checked around (!!!!).
Turn 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I bet out and get calls from MP1, MP2 and CO.
River 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] . I bet get 2 calls, CO raises and despite my urge to 3 bet I just call.
Comments on all the streets would be greatly appreciated.

The DaveR · #2 02-10-2007, 03:49 PM

Do you feel confident enough to fold if he 4-bets? Smells like JT or QcTc, but I'd lean more toward QT since he passed on his chance to bump the turn with the obvious draws out there.

sublime · #3 02-10-2007, 04:01 PM

i like calling given your description that this guy is a 2p2er/ him not raising the turn with a boat is bad, so a smaller flush makes sense, however even with that calling is probably better due to one of the other two hopefully calling anyways. basically if you 3bet its doubtfull either of them will call anyways and are risking an extra bet for one when you can call and get a freeroll on the extra bet +1.

2handed · #4 02-10-2007, 04:09 PM

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i like calling given your description that this guy is a 2p2er/ him not raising the turn with a boat is bad, so a smaller flush makes sense, however even with that calling is probably better due to one of the other two hopefully calling anyways. basically if you 3bet its doubtfull either of them will call anyways and are risking an extra bet for one when you can call and get a freeroll on the extra bet +1.

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I agree with this

Chris Daddy Cool · #5 02-10-2007, 04:58 PM

i would strongly consider 3-betting preflop and 3-betting the river. co's hand reeks of a smaller flush more so than a boat.

Smarty · #6 02-10-2007, 05:56 PM

I 3-bet pre flop. I also probably led flop to make sure we get about a million bets in there. I 3-bet river given the action.

Justin A · #7 02-10-2007, 08:40 PM

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i like calling given your description that this guy is a 2p2er/ him not raising the turn with a boat is bad, so a smaller flush makes sense, however even with that calling is probably better due to one of the other two hopefully calling anyways. basically if you 3bet its doubtfull either of them will call anyways and are risking an extra bet for one when you can call and get a freeroll on the extra bet +1.

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To add to this the 2p2 guy may not even call a 3bet with a smaller flush.

surfdoc · #8 02-10-2007, 08:44 PM

With the button being the PFR I think it is a pretty serious error not betting this flop from the SB.

surfdoc · #9 02-10-2007, 08:52 PM

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i like calling given your description that this guy is a 2p2er/ him not raising the turn with a boat is bad, so a smaller flush makes sense, however even with that calling is probably better due to one of the other two hopefully calling anyways. basically if you 3bet its doubtfull either of them will call anyways and are risking an extra bet for one when you can call and get a freeroll on the extra bet +1.

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To add to this the 2p2 guy may not even call a 3bet with a smaller flush.

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This is a great spot to go for overcalls. Just to add, with hero's holding the highest flush CO can have is ten high and I think he has a super easy fold to your river 3 bet in a protected pot with a paired board. Reopening the betting seems like a bad plan especially since the pot will be too big to fold to a 4 bet even though our hand will never be good in that spot.

UtzChips · #10 02-10-2007, 09:07 PM

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Great 40 game at the Borgata. MP1 and MP2 both winning players but both like to play a lot of hands and hate folding. CO is a tight and solid 2+2er who is a bit passive (according to me anyway). 6 limps to a button who raises, I call out of BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q. [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 to the flop.
Flop K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and it’s checked around (!!!!).
Turn 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I bet out and get calls from MP1, MP2 and CO.
River 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] . I bet get 2 calls, CO raises and despite my urge to 3 bet I just call.
Comments on all the streets would be greatly appreciated.

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I don't re-raise preflop with a drawing hand since some limpers may fold to two bets.

I don't ck the Flop with a great drawing hand with only KJ having me drawing almost dead. I'm not saying that just because it was ck'd around. Button may have been raising preflop with 88 or 76s etc.
I wouldn't give in to any urge I might have to raise the River either. I'd rather one/two of the others to also call.