Chucking AA

nerdking · #1 02-09-2007, 01:20 PM

calling 2BB cold kind of screams "i'm on the draw" EP is loose aggressive bad. Pot's massive, I'm happy with my fold. Your thoughts?

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP2 with :ac :ah
UTG (poster) checks, 2 folds, MP1 calls, [color=#cc0000]Hero raises, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: :8h :tc :6c (12SB, 6 players)
[color=#cc0000]SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 folds, [color=#cc0000]Hero raises, MP3 calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: :4d (11BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, [color=#cc0000]UTG bets, [color=#cc0000]Hero raises, MP3 calls, SB calls, [color=#cc0000]BB calls all-in $2, UTG calls.

River: :9c (21BB, 4 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: 21BB)
[color=#cc0000]SB bets, UTG calls, Hero folds, [color=#cc0000]MP3 raises, SB calls, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 27BB

Zeldark · #2 02-09-2007, 01:58 PM

Your pot odds are ridiculously high. MP3 waking up after you folded is definately bad, but in practice I think I may call and cry when he wakes up. On the other hand, the board is very coordinated. So the question is. Are we ahead more than 4.8%, (this is before we know MP3 woke up, afterwhich the answer probably not).

Edit: After further sifting through the semi-converted hand, I see the board is more coordinated than I previously thought. Perhaps I shouldn't offer advice so soon after waking up. That 3-flush, 4-stright w/ gap board makes our 4.8% very questionable.

nerdking · #3 02-09-2007, 02:07 PM

i think MP3 CCing 2 bets on the turn gives us ample evidence that they are holding two clubs

milesdyson · #4 02-09-2007, 02:09 PM

Very standard fold even getting 23:1.

Zeldark · #5 02-09-2007, 02:12 PM

That was my first instinct as well, until I noticed any 7 makes a straight. He could be calling down with something like T7, 87, 76 or if he was smarter I could definately see the flush draw. I still bet it's the flush draw, but just considering what else matches an unknown's play.

nerdking · #6 02-09-2007, 02:19 PM

is this the Miles Dyson seal of approval or are you being sarcastic?

bozlax · #7 02-09-2007, 02:23 PM

Weird action, nice fold when all 87259347 draws came in on the river.

milesdyson · #8 02-09-2007, 02:24 PM

Not sarcastic at all. You lose just about every time, so you fold. You're really never good here. Maybe 1 in 100 or so? Even that seems unrealistic.

nerdking · #9 02-09-2007, 02:25 PM

sweet. lots of hot river action for my opponents against me lately.

Aaron W. · #10 02-09-2007, 02:49 PM

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calling 2BB cold kind of screams "i'm on the draw" EP is loose aggressive bad. Pot's massive, I'm happy with my fold. Your thoughts?

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I used to view river calls like this as +sanity -EV calls. But now that I'm more comfortable playing poker, I just call them -EV calls.